Ducktales 2017

[Scroogerello]

Three new shorts (featuring Webby, Mrs. Beakley and Launchpad McQuack) can be seen here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIOR2O9tcaQ&app=desktop
They are all dubbed in Russian, though--it seems like the originals haven't been released yet.

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Jun 12, 2017 13:50:19 GMT Matilda said:

Thanks for the details, Drakeborough. Yes, the article I cited in U$ 216 actually talks mostly about Hunza, Tralla La and the Nat'l Geographic article. So, from what you say, my reading is as follows: the Gutenberghus people did not ask Barks specifically for a story to explain Scrooge's longevity (the better to preserve his Klondike backstory). Barks' plot outline for them probably did not include  dates or details from Scrooge's backstory, since his prose piece for USMcD: HL&T did not. But Anderson's script for the comic book story did, and so did Blum's, with Blum apparently changing most of those details. Barks may have meant the story to give an explanation of Scrooge's longevity in order to make sense of decades of new stories extending into the future. But the concern with explicit continuity involving historical dates was probably not part of his story outline.

"So, from what you say, my reading is as follows: the Gutenberghus people did not ask Barks specifically for a story to explain Scrooge's longevity (the better to preserve his Klondike backstory). "

Did you mean to say "did not" or "did"? And do we know for sure?

If we're going to make the argument that Barks felt the need to create a story explaining Scrooge's longevity to help future authors (something that I believe would run contrary to his general attitude to questions of continuity), we need to nail down certain facts. For example, what did Gutenberghus actually ask of Barks? If they specifically said they wanted a way to keep Scrooge's backstory intact while making it possible to write stories with him set in the present day, that negates the idea that Barks himself felt compelled to do it on his own accord. And also, what details did the finished, original "illustrated story" published in USMcD: HL&T actually include? The Anderson and later Leach versions undoubtedly added a lot of Barksian details, but if they were not present in Barks' original illustrated story, they were not really part of Barks' vision for this story. 

[drakeborough]

Jun 12, 2017 16:11:16 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

"So, from what you say, my reading is as follows: the Gutenberghus people did not ask Barks specifically for a story to explain Scrooge's longevity (the better to preserve his Klondike backstory). "

Did you mean to say "did not" or "did"? And do we know for sure?

If we're going to make the argument that Barks felt the need to create a story explaining Scrooge's longevity to help future authors (something that I believe would run contrary to his general attitude to questions of continuity), we need to nail down certain facts. For example, what did Gutenberghus actually ask of Barks? If they specifically said they wanted a way to keep Scrooge's backstory intact while making it possible to write stories with him set in the present day, that negates the idea that Barks himself felt compelled to do it on his own accord.

In the article I prevously linked it is said that Gutenberghus asked Barks to create some new stories for them and, after he declined, asked him to procuce some plot outlines that would be developed by other writers. The article doesn't mention the editor ordering a specific topic.

Jun 12, 2017 16:11:16 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

And also, what details did the finished, original "illustrated story" published in USMcD: HL&T actually include? The Anderson and later Leach versions undoubtedly added a lot of Barksian details, but if they were not present in Barks' original illustrated story, they were not really part of Barks' vision for this story.

As I said, I have a translation of the original illustrated story and, while I am not 100% sure it's faithful to the original, I can use it to see if some elements of the comic book story are present there or not. Which bits are you interested to?

[Scroogerello]

The show's main theme has been released:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EURi91Eb6I8

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Jun 14, 2017 17:43:12 GMT Scroogerello said:

The show's main theme has been released:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EURi91Eb6I8

Oookay… I really like this animation style (though I'd prefer real hand-drawn), and lookit all those easter eggs, both to Barks comics (Flying Dutchman painting, folks!) and to the original show's intro (the mummy). But…

• Looks like there's going to be a lot of supernatural stuff in this. I'm okay with it, but some people might not be, methinks.
• By god, what did they do to Mrs Beakley? Why did she suddenly turn into a bodybuilder? Webby I could understand, but for her, Glomgold or Gyro, why can't they leave well enough alone?
• Again on the Flying Dutchman — apparently, it's physically there, so presumably the show's treatment of the Dutchman will not have the same "solution" as Barks's. Perhaps they'll combine it with The Flying Scot, which would make Danblane McDuck one of those "little-known Duck relatives" we were told would pop up?
• That theme… ach. The drums completely drown out the vocals, which are not that great anyway. 

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Jun 14, 2017 17:51:36 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Jun 14, 2017 17:43:12 GMT Scroogerello said:

The show's main theme has been released:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EURi91Eb6I8

Oookay… I really like this animation style (though I'd prefer real hand-drawn), and lookit all those easter eggs, both to Barks comics (Flying Dutchman painting, folks!) and to the original show's intro (the mummy). But…

• Looks like there's going to be a lot of supernatural stuff in this. I'm okay with it, but some people might not be, methinks.
• By god, what did they do to Mrs Beakley? Why did she suddenly turn into a bodybuilder? Webby I could understand, but for her, Glomgold or Gyro, why can't they leave well enough alone?
• Again on the Flying Dutchman — apparently, it's physically there, so presumably the show's treatment of the Dutchman will not have the same "solution" as Barks's. Perhaps they'll combine it with The Flying Scot, which would make Danblane McDuck one of those "little-known Duck relatives" we were told would pop up?
• That theme… ach. The drums completely drown out the vocals, which are not that great anyway. 

Yes, lots of nods to Barks stories and oil paintings, so that's good.
The animation is great, as all samples from this show have been from the beginning.
Looks like "Mark Beaks" is an antagonist.
I'm surprised by the utter lack of Magica, even in the intro. She's always been a major antagonist. I froze the scenes where the villains bunch together and still couldn't see her. Why have they apparently chosen to downplay her in this series?
And I really don't care what they do with Mrs. Beakly (or Webby, Launchpad, etc.), but major changes to Barks characters I can do without.

EDIT: There are a couple of new villains we know nothing about, like the TinHat Wolf Brothers and jumpsuit ninja lady. And why is "Li'l Bulb" chasing the Ducks along with all the other bad guys? Did Gyro's programming go awry, or is "mad scientist" Gyro a double agent here?

EDIT2: Very dissimilar Beagle Boys wear no numbers, but have a huge B on their shirts. Ugh. 

[Scroogerello]

New image:

Also, apparently Ludwig Von Drake will appear in the series, voiced by Corey Burton:
ohmy.disney.com/news/2017/06/14/disney-xds-new-ducktales-has-a-premiere-date-and-an-amazing-all-new-opening-title-sequence/

[Matilda]

There does appear to be a Duck on the deck of the Flying Dutchman. Yay for Ludwig Von Drake! Yeah, I do wonder about Magica. Personally, though, as much as I love Magica, I'd rather not have her than have her again with a Russian accent. That Russian accent killed all the Magica episodes in DT1 for me. And sigh, there's that "mad scientist Gyro."

Do we know anything at all about "the well-traveled teen Lena"? Is she a brand-new character, like Mark Beaks?

[RobbK1]

Jun 14, 2017 21:06:06 GMT Matilda said:

There does appear to be a Duck on the deck of the Flying Dutchman. Yay for Ludwig Von Drake! Yeah, I do wonder about Magica. Personally, though, as much as I love Magica, I'd rather not have her than have her again with a Russian accent. That Russian accent killed all the Magica episodes in DT1 for me. And sigh, there's that "mad scientist Gyro."

Do we know anything at all about "the well-traveled teen Lena"? Is she a brand-new character, like Mark Beaks?

They must have gotten Magica mixed up with Boris Badenov's Natascha!

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Jun 14, 2017 21:06:06 GMT Matilda said:

 Yay for Ludwig Von Drake! Yeah, I do wonder about Magica. Personally, though, as much as I love Magica, I'd rather not have her than have her again with a Russian accent. That Russian accent killed all the Magica episodes in DT1 for me. 

I also applaud for Ludwig Von Drake. As for Magica… I never thought it was a Russian accent, especially. GeoX is probably on to something when calling it "a(n intentionally?) vague European accent". It was vague enough that the French dubbers thought it was a German accent and dubbed it that way, too. 

[Loke]

Jun 14, 2017 17:51:36 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

• Again on the Flying Dutchman — apparently, it's physically there, so presumably the show's treatment of the Dutchman will not have the same "solution" as Barks's. Perhaps they'll combine it with The Flying Scot, which would make Danblane McDuck one of those "little-known Duck relatives" we were told would pop up?

The scenes in the intro might not be clips from actual episodes, but just random scenes intended to be Barks homages.

[Minotaur]

There is one thing that I mind:

Why there is a Chinese dragon (loong) guarding the treasure???
Chinese dragon is a god, not any stupid evil spirit. If you can't imagine a phoenix or unihorn being a brainless treasure guardian, you get what I mean. I don't know why the translator gave it such a silly name, but you just can't mix these two concepts together. For the same reason feathered serpent doesn't guard any treasure.

[drakeborough]

Here is a comparison between Barks' paintings and the images in the opening theme:

By the way, shouldn't the coin say "one dime" instead of "10 cents"?

Jun 14, 2017 18:28:43 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

EDIT2: Very dissimilar Beagle Boys wear no numbers, but have a huge B on their shirts. Ugh.

I agree, it's bad. There should be no giant B, the fact that they have prison numbers is very iconic for them.

Jun 14, 2017 21:06:06 GMT Matilda said:

Yeah, I do wonder about Magica. Personally, though, as much as I love Magica, I'd rather not have her than have her again with a Russian accent. That Russian accent killed all the Magica episodes in DT1 for me. And sigh, there's that "mad scientist Gyro."

Hopefully she won't have a Russian accent. Well, at lest we Italians have been lucky in the original series to have a Magica who speaks in a Neapolitan accent:

[Monkey_Feyerabend]

(a badly faked Neapolitan accent )

[Monkey_Feyerabend]

Where do you see Ludwig Von Drake in the titles? I cannot find him.  


It would be extremely cool if they would make Magica appearances rare but memorable. Like a very very scary sorcière...