Ducktales 2017

[donaldistducktoons]

Jul 9, 2023 19:52:22 GMT donalddisneyfan said:

Jul 9, 2023 18:30:24 GMT donaldistducktoons said:

And I partly understand them. They grew up with Disney Afternoon cartoons and they liked Darkwing Duck the most and wanted them to direct that series. But since Disney was not interested in a Darkwing Duck reboot at the time, but in a Ducktales reboot (especially due to the special popularity gained by the game Ducktales Remastered from 2013, I could say in addition to the Ducktales Movie and a good ending for Ducktales), they decided to they used the series to get what they wanted. Unfortunately, the failure of that series in the end (despite much praise on social media) meant they weren't given the Darkwing Duck reboot they so desperately wanted.

I see that you often mention comparisons of other modern animated series and other reboots and I will just tell you that not every modern series turned out to be good in the end, like every reboot, but that every marketing will require some maintenance of the franchise to get its audience and make every reboot the next 10 or 20 years, depending on whether your franchises turned out great in the end. I will tell you that for me the good reboots were like Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, Mickey Mouse Cartoons by Paul Rudish, Looney Tunes Cartoons, Danger Mouse from 2015, MLP Friendship is Magic (although that series caused a lot of toxicity among fans ), TMNT 2012 and certainly Green Eggs and Ham because they really respected the originality and made those series in even better positions. Even though Teen Titans Go differs from the original, that series is still very popular among the children's audience today, because that series has a very good comedy that appeals to children. The type of so-called dark adventures that started with Adventure Time not so much because it's not interesting for kids anymore.

I still doubt that means the crew didn't care for DuckTales at all even if they liked Darkwing Duck. Like Darkwing's only a major player in two episodes (not counting season finales), doesn't really scream they were hijacking DuckTales for Darkwing Duck. I'm not denying they'd totally want to make a Darkwing Duck reboot, just saying it's not like they didn't care about DuckTales either.

And pretty sure DuckTales 2017 wasn't a failure. Regardless of what you think, the show was successful considering it got an art book, a podcast, and even a theme park attraction in World Showcase Adventure over a year after the show ended. Even the 2017 versions of the nephews and Webby have appeared in the updated Mickey's Toontown in Disneyland with Donald Duck's Boat being remodeled after this series. So pretty clear the show was deemed successful and has put DuckTales in a better position (at least it is giving more attention to Disney Afternoon for modern audiences now than before) even if this specific site isn't keen on the show.

Like I'd say the show was on par with MLP Friendship is Magic, Mickey Mouse Cartoons by Paul Rudish, and Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated in terms of success for the reason I mentioned above.

If Ducktales 2017 was so successful, why aren't there any sequels based on that series? Why was Darkwing Duck given to another man and not left to Angones? The Art of Ducktales was published by Dark Horse, not Disney, and as for Epcot I don't think it got any attention when they opened. Only the first few days, at least as far as I've heard. There are no more issues of Ducktales reboot comics either. As for Donald's nephews, the classic versions are still used. A lot of Ducktales characters are still used in the style of Ducktales 1987, so it's no big deal. The only thing that Zan Owlson was used as the mayor of St. Canard in the new Darkwing Duck comics.

It's fine if you like that series, but if it was really as successful as MLP Friendship is Magic, I'm sure it would have sequels and more praise, but not be trending right now. I wouldn't agree that Ducktales is the same as Paul Rudish Mickey, Mickey Mouse Cartoons still used the original materials well and respected that and had great humor. Also The Legend of The Three Caballeros had better humor and more adventures than the Ducktales reboot. But again I respect your opinion.

[djnyr]

Jul 7, 2023 17:09:49 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

 But I really think you're seeing things with regards to Bradford Buzzard's infiltration of SHUSH and McDuck Industries being a take-off on some Captain America plot point.

The MCU movie Winter Soldier was more than “some Captain America plot point”; it was one of Disney-Marvel’s bigger popular and critical successes.  Considering how frequently Angones referenced other popular MCU movies (the Steelbeak/Gosalyn arrow bit in the final episode mirroring the Loki/Hawkeye moment towards the end of The Avengers, the efforts to de-glove the Phantom Blot mirroring the fight with Thanos in Infinity War, etc.) I am 100% positive that Winter Soldier heavily influenced Angones’ version of FOWL, more so than any Bond movie. Not only was FOWL depicted as having been embedded within SHUSH since the 1960s, just as HYDRA in Winter Soldier was depicted as having been embedded within SHIELD since the end of WW2, but FOWL’s end goal was also depicted as the elimination of all “adventurers”, just as HYDRA’s big plan in Winter Soldier was the extermination of heroes like Bruce Banner and Dr. Strange along with anyone else who could pose a threat to the organization. Making Bradford’s obsession with orderliness and security, at the expense of freedom, the driving force behind FOWL, as opposed to the eccentric destructiveness of the FOWL high command on the original Darkwing show, was also a direct borrowing from Winter Soldier; in that movie, the villain Arnim Zola rants about how “HYDRA was founded on the belief that humanity could not be trusted with its own freedom”; Robert Redford’s HYDRA villain in Winter Soldier also gives a little speech about ending disorder and war through ruthless utilitarianism: “I can bring order to the lives of seven billion people by sacrificing twenty million.” This is an example of one of my overarching objections to New Ducktales—the showrunners’ trend-chasing tendency to say “hey, this recent thing was successful/popular; let’s copy it, regardless of how well it meshes with the source material." 

In regards to your Darkwing comments, the problem with turning DW into a roleplaying fanboy is that it deprives him of one of his funniest and most interesting character traits, his egoistical investment in his self-created superhero image. With the old Darkwing, you got the sense that his derring-do proceeded from an irreducible blend of heroism and egoism, a noble desire to fight villainy and a less noble desire to be regarded as awesome. The new Darkwing’s investment in the Darkwing persona is fannish rather than proprietorial, basically eliminating the egotistical side of his character—and making relics of the old Darkwing’s egoism, like his resentment of Gizmoduck, feel weirdly unmotivated. As for his relationship with Gosalyn, even if Angones had devoted more time to their interactions in a followup series, there’s no way the original dynamic between the characters could have recreated given Angones’ poor creative choices. The original Gosalyn was just as sarcastic, just as overdramatic, and just as fond of being the center of attention as Drake himself was, which not only made Drake’s efforts to play parent amusingly difficult, but also frequently served to puncture his ego. The new Gosalyn was depicted as serious and essentially mature, as well as being a preternaturally skillful archer; she hardly seemed to need a parental figure, and it’s difficult to imagine much humor, or character insight, being mined from her interactions with the new Drake.

We come back again to my point (cribbed from C. S. Lewis) about the essence of a character or a story. The original Darkwing Duck was not just a show about a funny superhero trying to fight crime, as Angones appeared to think; it was, in essence, a story about a funny superhero trying to fight crime while burnishing his self-created superhero image and raising a wildly rambunctious child. We can argue about whether the new character that resulted when Angones took away Drake’s image-consciousness and Gosalyn’s rambunctiousness was funny, but the more important point is that said new character wasn’t really Darkwing in any meaningful sense.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Jul 10, 2023 22:59:14 GMT djnyr said:

FOWL’s end goal was also depicted as the elimination of all “adventurers”, just as HYDRA’s big plan in Winter Soldier was the extermination of heroes like Bruce Banner and Dr. Strange along with anyone else who could pose a threat to the organization. Making Bradford’s obsession with orderliness and security, at the expense of freedom, the driving force behind FOWL, as opposed to the eccentric destructiveness of the FOWL high command on the original Darkwing show, was also a direct borrowing from Winter Soldier; in that movie, the villain Arnim Zola rants about how “HYDRA was founded on the belief that humanity could not be trusted with its own freedom”; Robert Redford’s HYDRA villain in Winter Soldier also gives a little speech about ending disorder and war through ruthless utilitarianism: “I can bring order to the lives of seven billion people by sacrificing twenty million.” This is an example of one of my overarching objections to New Ducktales—the showrunners’ trend-chasing tendency to say “hey, this recent thing was successful/popular; let’s copy it, regardless of how well it meshes with the source material." 

Hm. I will grant you some probable degree of influence, but I still think you're making too much of it. The ultimate villain having a burning hatred of Adventure as a concept, and a master-plan to eliminate it and the Strange in general, seems like an obvious thing for a modern writers' room to come up with as an antagonist for the DT17 Ducks, once they'd decided that the show was primarily themed around Adventure and that Scrooge in particular would be an Adventurer above all else. Perhaps too obvious, you might say, but either way you get there just by asking what the direct ideological/symbolic opposite of this version of Scrooge might look like, and how to spin that into an arc antagonist. In the face of this, the fact that HYDRA claim to be bringing order to an overly chaotic world seems… incidental at best. Besides, like *checks notes* the concept of a mole/sleeper-agent high up among the supposed good guys, that is such a generic thing. Of course the vaguely fascistic villains claim to be bringing order to the world. They all do. The Master, Darth Vader, you name it. "Order pursued as a utilitarian-style Greater Good, and extending to a reactionary hatred of the goodies' quirkiness and eccentricities" is possibly the most generic motivation for a large-scale villain or villainous group, aside from naked powerlust or arbitrary sadistic malice.

(I would contrast this to the Phantom Blot's gauntlet, which was a silly bit of naked trend-chasing, and never really worked.)

Jul 10, 2023 22:59:14 GMT djnyr said:

The new Darkwing’s investment in the Darkwing persona is fannish rather than proprietorial, basically eliminating the egotistical side of his character—and making relics of the old Darkwing’s egoism, like his resentment of Gizmoduck, feel weirdly unmotivated.

I better grasp what you mean, but I still don't really see it. It does seem egotistical. Showing up Gizmoduck is one of the deciding factors in him deciding to become Darkwing, after all, right alongside more noble motivations ("I am better than Gizmoduck…"), and Moonvasion got fairly classic-Darkwing-esque mileage out of him being upset that nobody knows about him or take him seriously. Just because he did not invent the persona, doesn't mean he isn't still comically grandiose and self-absorbed in his insistence that people take seriously his ludicrous life decision to Be Darkwing Duck In Real Life. 

There is, perhaps, something to the fact that this is only part of why this Drake becomes a superhero, as opposed to the classic version seeming to more directly be in it mainly for the glory alone. I think adding more genuine nobility to his decision was probably the right move in a show like this which, despite its elastic, fantastical setting, also tends to shoot for more ""realistic"" emotional complexity than the '87 DuckTales and its Darkwing; but perhaps they put a little bit too much of that, and too little gloryhounding. I can agree with that. Still, I don't think the gloryhounding was at all absent from the character.

Jul 10, 2023 22:59:14 GMT djnyr said:

The original Gosalyn was just as sarcastic, just as overdramatic, and just as fond of being the center of attention as Drake himself was, which not only made Drake’s efforts to play parent amusingly difficult, but also frequently served to puncture his ego. The new Gosalyn was depicted as serious and essentially mature, as well as being a preternaturally skillful archer; she hardly seemed to need a parental figure, and it’s difficult to imagine much humor, or character insight, being mined from her interactions with the new Drake.

And this — I'm not that big a fan of DT17!Gosalyn, but the principal "misstep", in my view, seems to be that she's written as indeed too serious. There's not enough basic humour to her demeanour and behaviour; she's a basically straight rendition of a young girl forced to grow up too fast by the (not-quite-)murder of her guardian, and attempting to expose the man who did it. You say she "hardly seems to need a parental figure", but she's, what, fourteen? Younger? Of course she needs a parental figure. The fact that she's bottling everything up and insisting on brooding self-reliance is unhealthy, and I think clearly intended to read as such.

And by that same token, it's very easy to picture character-based directions for a dramatic backbone of the adopter/adoptee dynamic to develop. DT17!Gosalyn in Let's Get Dangerous is primarily shown as trying to do everything by herself, communicating poorly and refusing to ask for help. Whereas Drake, due to his unhealthy commitment to the idea of Being Darkwing Duck, spends part of the special bummed out by the fact that there's no crime for him to thwart. So what we have here is a kid who resents having to ask for help/admit that she's not 100% self-reliant, moving in with a guy with a massive hero complex. (But who in turn has the same stubborn "I can do this on my own in my own ridiculous way" problem — and so cannot easily break down Gosalyn's defences without admitting his own faults, and would thus be reluctant to try. Or else come out comically oblivious to his own flaws; either works depending on the ratio of genuine character drama vs. comedy you're looking for.)

Of course, what she isn't, in all of this, is anywhere as fun as the original Gosalyn. But the character stuff, it's very much there, at least as seeds which could easily be developed in a Darkwing spin-off (and, IMO, would have been to one degree or another if such a show had got off the ground).

[bn2010]

Jul 11, 2023 1:16:05 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Jul 10, 2023 22:59:14 GMT djnyr said:

FOWL’s end goal was also depicted as the elimination of all “adventurers”, just as HYDRA’s big plan in Winter Soldier was the extermination of heroes like Bruce Banner and Dr. Strange along with anyone else who could pose a threat to the organization. Making Bradford’s obsession with orderliness and security, at the expense of freedom, the driving force behind FOWL, as opposed to the eccentric destructiveness of the FOWL high command on the original Darkwing show, was also a direct borrowing from Winter Soldier; in that movie, the villain Arnim Zola rants about how “HYDRA was founded on the belief that humanity could not be trusted with its own freedom”; Robert Redford’s HYDRA villain in Winter Soldier also gives a little speech about ending disorder and war through ruthless utilitarianism: “I can bring order to the lives of seven billion people by sacrificing twenty million.” This is an example of one of my overarching objections to New Ducktales—the showrunners’ trend-chasing tendency to say “hey, this recent thing was successful/popular; let’s copy it, regardless of how well it meshes with the source material." 

Hm. I will grant you some probable degree of influence, but I still think you're making too much of it. The ultimate villain having a burning hatred of Adventure as a concept, and a master-plan to eliminate it and the Strange in general, seems like an obvious thing for a modern writers' room to come up with as an antagonist for the DT17 Ducks, once they'd decided that the show was primarily themed around Adventure and that Scrooge in particular would be an Adventurer above all else. Perhaps too obvious, you might say, but either way you get there just by asking what the direct ideological/symbolic opposite of this version of Scrooge might look like, and how to spin that into an arc antagonist. In the face of this, the fact that HYDRA claim to be bringing order to an overly chaotic world seems… incidental at best. Besides, like *checks notes* the concept of a mole/sleeper-agent high up among the supposed good guys, that is such a generic thing. Of course the vaguely fascistic villains claim to be bringing order to the world. They all do. The Master, Darth Vader, you name it. "Order pursued as a utilitarian-style Greater Good, and extending to a reactionary hatred of the goodies' quirkiness and eccentricities" is possibly the most generic motivation for a large-scale villain or villainous group, aside from naked powerlust or arbitrary sadistic malice.

(I would contrast this to the Phantom Blot's gauntlet, which was a silly bit of naked trend-chasing, and never really worked.)

Jul 10, 2023 22:59:14 GMT djnyr said:

The new Darkwing’s investment in the Darkwing persona is fannish rather than proprietorial, basically eliminating the egotistical side of his character—and making relics of the old Darkwing’s egoism, like his resentment of Gizmoduck, feel weirdly unmotivated.

I better grasp what you mean, but I still don't really see it. It does seem egotistical. Showing up Gizmoduck is one of the deciding factors in him deciding to become Darkwing, after all, right alongside more noble motivations ("I am better than Gizmoduck…"), and Moonvasion got fairly classic-Darkwing-esque mileage out of him being upset that nobody knows about him or take him seriously. Just because he did not invent the persona, doesn't mean he isn't still comically grandiose and self-absorbed in his insistence that people take seriously his ludicrous life decision to Be Darkwing Duck In Real Life. 

There is, perhaps, something to the fact that this is only part of why this Drake becomes a superhero, as opposed to the classic version seeming to more directly be in it mainly for the glory alone. I think adding more genuine nobility to his decision was probably the right move in a show like this which, despite its elastic, fantastical setting, also tends to shoot for more ""realistic"" emotional complexity than the '87 DuckTales and its Darkwing; but perhaps they put a little bit too much of that, and too little gloryhounding. I can agree with that. Still, I don't think the gloryhounding was at all absent from the character.

Jul 10, 2023 22:59:14 GMT djnyr said:

The original Gosalyn was just as sarcastic, just as overdramatic, and just as fond of being the center of attention as Drake himself was, which not only made Drake’s efforts to play parent amusingly difficult, but also frequently served to puncture his ego. The new Gosalyn was depicted as serious and essentially mature, as well as being a preternaturally skillful archer; she hardly seemed to need a parental figure, and it’s difficult to imagine much humor, or character insight, being mined from her interactions with the new Drake.

And this — I'm not that big a fan of DT17!Gosalyn, but the principal "misstep", in my view, seems to be that she's written as indeed too serious. There's not enough basic humour to her demeanour and behaviour; she's a basically straight rendition of a young girl forced to grow up too fast by the (not-quite-)murder of her guardian, and attempting to expose the man who did it. You say she "hardly seems to need a parental figure", but she's, what, fourteen? Younger? Of course she needs a parental figure. The fact that she's bottling everything up and insisting on brooding self-reliance is unhealthy, and I think clearly intended to read as such.

And by that same token, it's very easy to picture character-based directions for a dramatic backbone of the adopter/adoptee dynamic to develop. DT17!Gosalyn in Let's Get Dangerous is primarily shown as trying to do everything by herself, communicating poorly and refusing to ask for help. Whereas Drake, due to his unhealthy commitment to the idea of Being Darkwing Duck, spends part of the special bummed out by the fact that there's no crime for him to thwart. So what we have here is a kid who resents having to ask for help/admit that she's not 100% self-reliant, moving in with a guy with a massive hero complex. (But who in turn has the same stubborn "I can do this on my own in my own ridiculous way" problem — and so cannot easily break down Gosalyn's defences without admitting his own faults, and would thus be reluctant to try. Or else come out comically oblivious to his own flaws; either works depending on the ratio of genuine character drama vs. comedy you're looking for.)

Of course, what she isn't, in all of this, is anywhere as fun as the original Gosalyn. But the character stuff, it's very much there, at least as seeds which could easily be developed in a Darkwing spin-off (and, IMO, would have been to one degree or another if such a show had got off the ground).

Gosalyn in the remake does not need a parent, because she lived on the street for a while. And such a life makes a person grow up much faster. Plus the original girl wanted to find a new family. Because she was acutely aware of her loneliness. The new version is more proud. Over time, she relented, but took more help out of necessity. It is unlikely that she will want to be adopted. But even if he wants to, there will not be such a close relationship as in the original between the Gosalyn and Darkwing Duck.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Jul 11, 2023 9:18:56 GMT bn2010 said:

Gosalyn in the remake does not need a parent, because she lived on the street for a while. And such a life makes a person grow up much faster. (…) The new version is more proud. Over time, she relented, but took more help out of necessity. It is unlikely that she will want to be adopted.

I don't even what to say. No thirteen-year-old actually has no need of a stable home and a guardian. Some might be able to adapt to living on the streets on their own but this is not a healthy situation for them and they still need a home as much as anybody; if they have convinced themselves otherwise this is something they will need to work on over time.

[bn2010]

Jul 11, 2023 11:22:17 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Jul 11, 2023 9:18:56 GMT bn2010 said:

Gosalyn in the remake does not need a parent, because she lived on the street for a while. And such a life makes a person grow up much faster. (…) The new version is more proud. Over time, she relented, but took more help out of necessity. It is unlikely that she will want to be adopted.

I don't even what to say. No thirteen-year-old actually has no need of a stable home and a guardian. Some might be able to adapt to living on the streets on their own but this is not a healthy situation for them and they still need a home as much as anybody; if they have convinced themselves otherwise this is something they will need to work on over time.

I agree. I meant that the Gosalyn itself does not yet perceive Drake as a parent. Her grandfather is alive, she considers herself independent. She's wrong, yes. How things will turn out is unknown.

[djnyr]

I agree that an actual thirteen-year-old most definitely needs a home and guardian, but I never got the impression that this version of Gosalyn was an actual thirteen-year-old; this is another of my recurring complaints about New Ducktales--that the "kid" characters were not only voiced by adults, but were written more like adults than like pre-teen kids. In New Gosalyn's case, I'm thinking particularly of her efforts to soothe New Drake after she learns of his all-night vigil and her good-natured but rather condescending pigeonholing of Drake and Launchpad as "nerds;" in both moments she comes off as a lot older--at least a mid-to-late-teenager--than she's alleged to be. The original Gosalyn was also voiced by a grown woman, Kristine Kavanaugh, but Kavanaugh gave her a good duck-childish voice, and the writers also gave her a caricatured but recognizably kid-like personality, convincingly energetic and erratic.

[donalddisneyfan]

Jul 9, 2023 20:22:10 GMT donaldistducktoons said:

Jul 9, 2023 19:52:22 GMT donalddisneyfan said:

If Ducktales 2017 was so successful, why aren't there any sequels based on that series? Why was Darkwing Duck given to another man and not left to Angones? The Art of Ducktales was published by Dark Horse, not Disney, and as for Epcot I don't think it got any attention when they opened. Only the first few days, at least as far as I've heard. There are no more issues of Ducktales reboot comics either. As for Donald's nephews, the classic versions are still used. A lot of Ducktales characters are still used in the style of Ducktales 1987, so it's no big deal. The only thing that Zan Owlson was used as the mayor of St. Canard in the new Darkwing Duck comics.

It's fine if you like that series, but if it was really as successful as MLP Friendship is Magic, I'm sure it would have sequels and more praise, but not be trending right now. I wouldn't agree that Ducktales is the same as Paul Rudish Mickey, Mickey Mouse Cartoons still used the original materials well and respected that and had great humor. Also The Legend of The Three Caballeros had better humor and more adventures than the Ducktales reboot. But again I respect your opinion.

Plenty of reasons other than it being not successful could be why they gave Darkwing Duck to someone else. Maybe higher ups changed and had different tastes or preferences, maybe the crew wanted to move on to other things at that point once season 3 finished up, there's more to these decisions than just "the show wasn't successful, it will be ignored forever".

The fact Disney approved of the art book at all means something.

And what about the Mickey's Toontown update clearly showing the 2017 versions here:

Those took inspiration from DuckTales 2017 for the nephews and Webby.

Heck, sequel and reboot shows switch showrunners even when they helm successful stuff. Gen 4 of My Little Pony was successful, yet Gen 5 didn't get the MLP Friendship is Magic showrunners Lauren Faust, Jayson Theissen, Meghan McCarthy, and/or Big Jim Miller involved in any capacity. Mystery Incorporated was successful, yet showrunner Mitch Watson wasn't involved in any Scooby projects after that. And it's not like Disney bothered getting Jymn Magon involved in the DuckTales reboot (let alone Quack Pack), does this mean the 1987 show wasn't successful either? Same for Warner Bros not having Tom Ruegger helm the Animaniacs reboot, would that imply the 1993 show wasn't successful either. Heck, how do you know Paul Rudish will run other Mickey projects after the series finale Steamboat Silly airs?

[donalddisneyfan]

Jul 11, 2023 16:38:21 GMT djnyr said:

I agree that an actual thirteen-year-old most definitely needs a home and guardian, but I never got the impression that this version of Gosalyn was an actual thirteen-year-old; this is another of my recurring complaints about New Ducktales--that the "kid" characters were not only voiced by adults, but were written more like adults than like pre-teen kids. In New Gosalyn's case, I'm thinking particularly of her efforts to soothe New Drake after she learns of his all-night vigil and her good-natured but rather condescending pigeonholing of Drake and Launchpad as "nerds;" in both moments she comes off as a lot older--at least a mid-to-late-teenager--than she's alleged to be. The original Gosalyn was also voiced by a grown woman, Kristine Kavanaugh, but Kavanaugh gave her a good duck-childish voice, and the writers also gave her a caricatured but recognizably kid-like personality, convincingly energetic and erratic.

Considering your large disdain for the show, have you ever considered making a post on how you would've improved the reboot given your very strong opinions be it positive or negative (or even how you'd make your own DuckTales reboot (not a script for episodes mind you, just some ideas and outlines))? Granted you briefly touch on it in terms of who you'd have as the showrunner when mentioning either you'd try to get some Disney Afternoon people back like Jymn Magon, Mark Zaslove, and Len Uhley or if you did hire new generation talent to run the show, it'd be animation historians Thad Komorowski and David Gerstein (rather than anyone from the modern animation talent pool), but how about the other stuff?

[donaldistducktoons]

Jul 12, 2023 4:25:42 GMT donalddisneyfan said:

Jul 9, 2023 20:22:10 GMT donaldistducktoons said:

If Ducktales 2017 was so successful, why aren't there any sequels based on that series? Why was Darkwing Duck given to another man and not left to Angones? The Art of Ducktales was published by Dark Horse, not Disney, and as for Epcot I don't think it got any attention when they opened. Only the first few days, at least as far as I've heard. There are no more issues of Ducktales reboot comics either. As for Donald's nephews, the classic versions are still used. A lot of Ducktales characters are still used in the style of Ducktales 1987, so it's no big deal. The only thing that Zan Owlson was used as the mayor of St. Canard in the new Darkwing Duck comics.

It's fine if you like that series, but if it was really as successful as MLP Friendship is Magic, I'm sure it would have sequels and more praise, but not be trending right now. I wouldn't agree that Ducktales is the same as Paul Rudish Mickey, Mickey Mouse Cartoons still used the original materials well and respected that and had great humor. Also The Legend of The Three Caballeros had better humor and more adventures than the Ducktales reboot. But again I respect your opinion.

Plenty of reasons other than it being not successful could be why they gave Darkwing Duck to someone else. Maybe higher ups changed and had different tastes or preferences, maybe the crew wanted to move on to other things at that point once season 3 finished up, there's more to these decisions than just "the show wasn't successful, it will be ignored forever".

The fact Disney approved of the art book at all means something.

And what about the Mickey's Toontown update clearly showing the 2017 versions here:

Those took inspiration from DuckTales 2017 for the nephews and Webby.

Heck, sequel and reboot shows switch showrunners even when they helm successful stuff. Gen 4 of My Little Pony was successful, yet Gen 5 didn't get the MLP Friendship is Magic showrunners Lauren Faust, Jayson Theissen, Meghan McCarthy, and/or Big Jim Miller involved in any capacity. Mystery Incorporated was successful, yet showrunner Mitch Watson wasn't involved in any Scooby projects after that. And it's not like Disney bothered getting Jymn Magon involved in the DuckTales reboot (let alone Quack Pack), does this mean the 1987 show wasn't successful either? Same for Warner Bros not having Tom Ruegger helm the Animaniacs reboot, would that imply the 1993 show wasn't successful either. Heck, how do you know Paul Rudish will run other Mickey projects after the series finale Steamboat Silly airs?

I know, but you should also know that there were also Gummi Bears mascots (I love that cartoon) at one time at Disney Park until they got rid of them. Which means it won't last forever either, but for a while. If the next Duck series (either the Darkwing Duck reboot or some other series related to Donald Duck) is more successful than the Ducktales reboot, it is likely that those versions will be used more than the Ducktales reboot version. It's such a trend. And it's not a big deal if they are shown there. Because it's a big success for you? When you mentioned MLP: Friendship is Magic, you probably know that the series is still popular among the younger generations, especially among girls, and various things are sold about that franchise and they still have sequels. Is the Ducktales reboot getting a sequel? Not. Does the Ducktales reboot have sales of its toys and its comics? Earlier yes, today no, they were mostly withdrawn because they were not sold enough. The authors themselves have moved on to work for another company and I doubt they will work for Disney in the future.

And that there was a replacement in the Disney management is possible, but I would also say that the same Disney management that approved the Ducktales reboot had previously rejected Joe Pitt's plans in which Ducktales would have been a more faithful adaptation of the Carl Barks and Don Rosa comics as well as covered up series The Legend of The Three Caballeros. About this, some art directors who worked on that series said that they worked on that series during 2015 and 2016 and it was supposed to be shown in 2017, but because of the Ducktales reboot they didn't show it. If it wasn't for the Disney Philippines leak, who knows when we would have known about that series. I don't want to accuse or say it's Youngberg and Angones' fault, because I don't think they had anything to do with it, but Disney management just made some weird decisions, and they wanted to keep the audience they got when they showed Gravity Falls. You know the rest of the story. So, I don't think it's strange if they rejected Angones' plans for after the Ducktales reboot because I guess they were new people in the Disney management, and the next because the Ducktales reboot dropped ratings, and Disney didn't want to risk giving other series a fourth season (the case with Star Vs Forces of The Evil). And of course I will have criticisms of decisions by Disney management that are mostly wrong. I don't have to say how much bad reviews Disney has been getting lately due to the many unsuccessful movies and series. I absolutely do not like how they blew it with Star Wars and Indiana Jones. So I feel the same way they blew it with the Ducktales reboot.

Also, remember the "Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway" case where the poster featured Donald's nephews from Ducktales 2017? It was just a bait, and actually that attraction showed mostly classic versions of Donald's nephews, so I don't believe in some replacement with some reboot versions, and there are problems. What's going on right now is the version of Gosalyn in Ducktales 2017 and I agree with that, so I have a similar problem with Donald's nephews in that series. Even though they got special personalities, I don't like how they got some kind of mental illness plus they don't act together. And a special feature for Huey, Dewey and Louie to act together and rarely have I seen such moments. And that's why I don't think they'll be a replacement for the classic nephews, because they're trademarked, and plus, I don't think kids would connect with Donald's nephews from the Ducktales reboot who act very grown-up, except for Huey. And before you tell me any further, I'll just tell you, comics like Area 15 and the children's book Duckscares even though they showed Donald's nephews with their different clothes and separate personalities, they found more inspiration in the Quack Pack and the boys' real life than they did in Ducktales reboot, whatever others say otherwise. And European comics in general don't follow that Ducktales canon (except when they had to end the romance between Donald and Queen Reginella in order for Donald to return to Daisy for a successful romance in the Ducktales reboot, at least according to some claims, which I'm not sure if are correct).

I'm glad they invited Jymm Magon to participate, although I don't think the Ducktales reboot version of Disney Afternoon was a success (I'd rather say a bad one). But it's unfortunate that they didn't include him enough plus that his previous ideas that were very good were rejected. I would also like to mention that Tad Stones (creator of Darkwing Duck and Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers) will be involved in consulting with the team making the Darkwing Duck reboot (no, he will have nothing to do with the Ducktales reboot). And as for MLP it's good that you mentioned the writer changes between seasons, because I know the moment Twilight Sparkle became an Alicorn turned bad.

The wrong conclusion about Ducktales 1987, that series was quite successful that the series caused quite a lot of animated series to have ducks as main characters. Not to mention that Ducktales in 1987 had its own comics, its own video games, its own movie, and two spin-off series (Darkwing Duck and Quack Pack). Even today, it is popular among the audience, even though the series is outdated, but it still attracts attention especially because of the theme song. As for Warner Bros, I'm absolutely disappointed with how they did the Animaniacs reboot, they didn't even call Tom Ruegger as a consultant, but most of the episodes were written by people who had more to do with Family Guy and Ren and Stimpy than the original Animaniacs. The way I feel about the Animaniacs reboot is perhaps worse than the Ducktales reboot, because the writers for the Animaniacs reboot didn't care about the originality of the series at all. I hope the Tiny Toons reboot is better than both Ducktales and Animaniacs, although I have a bad feeling. As for Paul Rudish, I don't know what he will do after Steamboat Silly, but I would like him to make some Mickey Mouse movies or an animated series around Detective Mickey, that would be great in my opinion, since I'm sure Rudish knows the original material very well.

For a good reboot you need a good story, good changes that would be accepted by many as well as a good ending and a good legacy. Unfortunately the Ducktales reboot is not a good reboot for me. At the end, I'll leave only what the brilliant comic artist and writer Don Rosa (who also hates the Disney company for good reason) says: 

 

[bn2010]

Jul 12, 2023 21:26:31 GMT donaldistducktoons said:

Jul 12, 2023 4:25:42 GMT donalddisneyfan said:

Plenty of reasons other than it being not successful could be why they gave Darkwing Duck to someone else. Maybe higher ups changed and had different tastes or preferences, maybe the crew wanted to move on to other things at that point once season 3 finished up, there's more to these decisions than just "the show wasn't successful, it will be ignored forever".

The fact Disney approved of the art book at all means something.

And what about the Mickey's Toontown update clearly showing the 2017 versions here:

Those took inspiration from DuckTales 2017 for the nephews and Webby.

Heck, sequel and reboot shows switch showrunners even when they helm successful stuff. Gen 4 of My Little Pony was successful, yet Gen 5 didn't get the MLP Friendship is Magic showrunners Lauren Faust, Jayson Theissen, Meghan McCarthy, and/or Big Jim Miller involved in any capacity. Mystery Incorporated was successful, yet showrunner Mitch Watson wasn't involved in any Scooby projects after that. And it's not like Disney bothered getting Jymn Magon involved in the DuckTales reboot (let alone Quack Pack), does this mean the 1987 show wasn't successful either? Same for Warner Bros not having Tom Ruegger helm the Animaniacs reboot, would that imply the 1993 show wasn't successful either. Heck, how do you know Paul Rudish will run other Mickey projects after the series finale Steamboat Silly airs?

I know, but you should also know that there were also Gummi Bears mascots (I love that cartoon) at one time at Disney Park until they got rid of them. Which means it won't last forever either, but for a while. If the next Duck series (either the Darkwing Duck reboot or some other series related to Donald Duck) is more successful than the Ducktales reboot, it is likely that those versions will be used more than the Ducktales reboot version. It's such a trend. And it's not a big deal if they are shown there. Because it's a big success for you? When you mentioned MLP: Friendship is Magic, you probably know that the series is still popular among the younger generations, especially among girls, and various things are sold about that franchise and they still have sequels. Is the Ducktales reboot getting a sequel? Not. Does the Ducktales reboot have sales of its toys and its comics? Earlier yes, today no, they were mostly withdrawn because they were not sold enough. The authors themselves have moved on to work for another company and I doubt they will work for Disney in the future.

And that there was a replacement in the Disney management is possible, but I would also say that the same Disney management that approved the Ducktales reboot had previously rejected Joe Pitt's plans in which Ducktales would have been a more faithful adaptation of the Carl Barks and Don Rosa comics as well as covered up series The Legend of The Three Caballeros. About this, some art directors who worked on that series said that they worked on that series during 2015 and 2016 and it was supposed to be shown in 2017, but because of the Ducktales reboot they didn't show it. If it wasn't for the Disney Philippines leak, who knows when we would have known about that series. I don't want to accuse or say it's Youngberg and Angones' fault, because I don't think they had anything to do with it, but Disney management just made some weird decisions, and they wanted to keep the audience they got when they showed Gravity Falls. You know the rest of the story. So, I don't think it's strange if they rejected Angones' plans for after the Ducktales reboot because I guess they were new people in the Disney management, and the next because the Ducktales reboot dropped ratings, and Disney didn't want to risk giving other series a fourth season (the case with Star Vs Forces of The Evil). And of course I will have criticisms of decisions by Disney management that are mostly wrong. I don't have to say how much bad reviews Disney has been getting lately due to the many unsuccessful movies and series. I absolutely do not like how they blew it with Star Wars and Indiana Jones. So I feel the same way they blew it with the Ducktales reboot.

Also, remember the "Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway" case where the poster featured Donald's nephews from Ducktales 2017? It was just a bait, and actually that attraction showed mostly classic versions of Donald's nephews, so I don't believe in some replacement with some reboot versions, and there are problems. What's going on right now is the version of Gosalyn in Ducktales 2017 and I agree with that, so I have a similar problem with Donald's nephews in that series. Even though they got special personalities, I don't like how they got some kind of mental illness plus they don't act together. And a special feature for Huey, Dewey and Louie to act together and rarely have I seen such moments. And that's why I don't think they'll be a replacement for the classic nephews, because they're trademarked, and plus, I don't think kids would connect with Donald's nephews from the Ducktales reboot who act very grown-up, except for Huey. And before you tell me any further, I'll just tell you, comics like Area 15 and the children's book Duckscares even though they showed Donald's nephews with their different clothes and separate personalities, they found more inspiration in the Quack Pack and the boys' real life than they did in Ducktales reboot, whatever others say otherwise. And European comics in general don't follow that Ducktales canon (except when they had to end the romance between Donald and Queen Reginella in order for Donald to return to Daisy for a successful romance in the Ducktales reboot, at least according to some claims, which I'm not sure if are correct).

I'm glad they invited Jymm Magon to participate, although I don't think the Ducktales reboot version of Disney Afternoon was a success (I'd rather say a bad one). But it's unfortunate that they didn't include him enough plus that his previous ideas that were very good were rejected. I would also like to mention that Tad Stones (creator of Darkwing Duck and Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers) will be involved in consulting with the team making the Darkwing Duck reboot (no, he will have nothing to do with the Ducktales reboot). And as for MLP it's good that you mentioned the writer changes between seasons, because I know the moment Twilight Sparkle became an Alicorn turned bad.

The wrong conclusion about Ducktales 1987, that series was quite successful that the series caused quite a lot of animated series to have ducks as main characters. Not to mention that Ducktales in 1987 had its own comics, its own video games, its own movie, and two spin-off series (Darkwing Duck and Quack Pack). Even today, it is popular among the audience, even though the series is outdated, but it still attracts attention especially because of the theme song. As for Warner Bros, I'm absolutely disappointed with how they did the Animaniacs reboot, they didn't even call Tom Ruegger as a consultant, but most of the episodes were written by people who had more to do with Family Guy and Ren and Stimpy than the original Animaniacs. The way I feel about the Animaniacs reboot is perhaps worse than the Ducktales reboot, because the writers for the Animaniacs reboot didn't care about the originality of the series at all. I hope the Tiny Toons reboot is better than both Ducktales and Animaniacs, although I have a bad feeling. As for Paul Rudish, I don't know what he will do after Steamboat Silly, but I would like him to make some Mickey Mouse movies or an animated series around Detective Mickey, that would be great in my opinion, since I'm sure Rudish knows the original material very well.

For a good reboot you need a good story, good changes that would be accepted by many as well as a good ending and a good legacy. Unfortunately the Ducktales reboot is not a good reboot for me. At the end, I'll leave only what the brilliant comic artist and writer Don Rosa (who also hates the Disney company for good reason) says: 

 

I hope Reginella will come back. I like Daisy from the reboot. But I wouldn't mind seeing a comic (about some alternate world) where she's still rude and Donald breaks up with her. Improving characters is always good, but breaking up toxic relationships is also a good plot. Of course, Donald should not have nephews in a parallel universe, otherwise he will not be able to start a relationship with an alien queen.

[donaldistducktoons]

Jul 13, 2023 18:42:25 GMT bn2010 said:

Jul 12, 2023 21:26:31 GMT donaldistducktoons said:

I know, but you should also know that there were also Gummi Bears mascots (I love that cartoon) at one time at Disney Park until they got rid of them. Which means it won't last forever either, but for a while. If the next Duck series (either the Darkwing Duck reboot or some other series related to Donald Duck) is more successful than the Ducktales reboot, it is likely that those versions will be used more than the Ducktales reboot version. It's such a trend. And it's not a big deal if they are shown there. Because it's a big success for you? When you mentioned MLP: Friendship is Magic, you probably know that the series is still popular among the younger generations, especially among girls, and various things are sold about that franchise and they still have sequels. Is the Ducktales reboot getting a sequel? Not. Does the Ducktales reboot have sales of its toys and its comics? Earlier yes, today no, they were mostly withdrawn because they were not sold enough. The authors themselves have moved on to work for another company and I doubt they will work for Disney in the future.

And that there was a replacement in the Disney management is possible, but I would also say that the same Disney management that approved the Ducktales reboot had previously rejected Joe Pitt's plans in which Ducktales would have been a more faithful adaptation of the Carl Barks and Don Rosa comics as well as covered up series The Legend of The Three Caballeros. About this, some art directors who worked on that series said that they worked on that series during 2015 and 2016 and it was supposed to be shown in 2017, but because of the Ducktales reboot they didn't show it. If it wasn't for the Disney Philippines leak, who knows when we would have known about that series. I don't want to accuse or say it's Youngberg and Angones' fault, because I don't think they had anything to do with it, but Disney management just made some weird decisions, and they wanted to keep the audience they got when they showed Gravity Falls. You know the rest of the story. So, I don't think it's strange if they rejected Angones' plans for after the Ducktales reboot because I guess they were new people in the Disney management, and the next because the Ducktales reboot dropped ratings, and Disney didn't want to risk giving other series a fourth season (the case with Star Vs Forces of The Evil). And of course I will have criticisms of decisions by Disney management that are mostly wrong. I don't have to say how much bad reviews Disney has been getting lately due to the many unsuccessful movies and series. I absolutely do not like how they blew it with Star Wars and Indiana Jones. So I feel the same way they blew it with the Ducktales reboot.

Also, remember the "Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway" case where the poster featured Donald's nephews from Ducktales 2017? It was just a bait, and actually that attraction showed mostly classic versions of Donald's nephews, so I don't believe in some replacement with some reboot versions, and there are problems. What's going on right now is the version of Gosalyn in Ducktales 2017 and I agree with that, so I have a similar problem with Donald's nephews in that series. Even though they got special personalities, I don't like how they got some kind of mental illness plus they don't act together. And a special feature for Huey, Dewey and Louie to act together and rarely have I seen such moments. And that's why I don't think they'll be a replacement for the classic nephews, because they're trademarked, and plus, I don't think kids would connect with Donald's nephews from the Ducktales reboot who act very grown-up, except for Huey. And before you tell me any further, I'll just tell you, comics like Area 15 and the children's book Duckscares even though they showed Donald's nephews with their different clothes and separate personalities, they found more inspiration in the Quack Pack and the boys' real life than they did in Ducktales reboot, whatever others say otherwise. And European comics in general don't follow that Ducktales canon (except when they had to end the romance between Donald and Queen Reginella in order for Donald to return to Daisy for a successful romance in the Ducktales reboot, at least according to some claims, which I'm not sure if are correct).

I'm glad they invited Jymm Magon to participate, although I don't think the Ducktales reboot version of Disney Afternoon was a success (I'd rather say a bad one). But it's unfortunate that they didn't include him enough plus that his previous ideas that were very good were rejected. I would also like to mention that Tad Stones (creator of Darkwing Duck and Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers) will be involved in consulting with the team making the Darkwing Duck reboot (no, he will have nothing to do with the Ducktales reboot). And as for MLP it's good that you mentioned the writer changes between seasons, because I know the moment Twilight Sparkle became an Alicorn turned bad.

The wrong conclusion about Ducktales 1987, that series was quite successful that the series caused quite a lot of animated series to have ducks as main characters. Not to mention that Ducktales in 1987 had its own comics, its own video games, its own movie, and two spin-off series (Darkwing Duck and Quack Pack). Even today, it is popular among the audience, even though the series is outdated, but it still attracts attention especially because of the theme song. As for Warner Bros, I'm absolutely disappointed with how they did the Animaniacs reboot, they didn't even call Tom Ruegger as a consultant, but most of the episodes were written by people who had more to do with Family Guy and Ren and Stimpy than the original Animaniacs. The way I feel about the Animaniacs reboot is perhaps worse than the Ducktales reboot, because the writers for the Animaniacs reboot didn't care about the originality of the series at all. I hope the Tiny Toons reboot is better than both Ducktales and Animaniacs, although I have a bad feeling. As for Paul Rudish, I don't know what he will do after Steamboat Silly, but I would like him to make some Mickey Mouse movies or an animated series around Detective Mickey, that would be great in my opinion, since I'm sure Rudish knows the original material very well.

For a good reboot you need a good story, good changes that would be accepted by many as well as a good ending and a good legacy. Unfortunately the Ducktales reboot is not a good reboot for me. At the end, I'll leave only what the brilliant comic artist and writer Don Rosa (who also hates the Disney company for good reason) says: 

 

I hope Reginella will come back. I like Daisy from the reboot. But I wouldn't mind seeing a comic (about some alternate world) where she's still rude and Donald breaks up with her. Improving characters is always good, but breaking up toxic relationships is also a good plot. Of course, Donald should not have nephews in a parallel universe, otherwise he will not be able to start a relationship with an alien queen.

I hope so too, but it all depends on the author whether they will present her again. I just know that when the last issue with her came out it was mostly that Reginella and Donald had to break up because Scrooge didn't want to waste any more money on Donald's long trip to another planet, and that Donald was already with Daisy Duck. If Gyro could make two Donalds so that one Donald could be with Daisy, the other Donald could be with Reginella, that would be a good solution.

And your idea about the alternate universe is a good idea, I just don't think that Donald should not have his nephews, because his nephews are there for a special reason, because they made Donald a good family man and he became a more mature man, I mean a duck. And Donald is the best parent to his nephews. I don't like how many people prefer Scrooge and Della as better parents than Donald and how they say that Donald is a terrible parent, which is not true. Maybe the experience with the classic shorts speaks for itself, but the comics really made a great parent out of Donald and it's a shame he didn't get that special treatment. I don't like how Ducktales 2017 did with the relationship between Donald and his nephews, which we barely saw and I agree with djnyr who did a great job of criticizing how it is not enough to just say that it is implied that Donald is like an adoptive parent to them (he is) which was said on social media, not in the show, and showed only hugs and no in-depth relationship between Donald and his nephews. Ok, now I'm going a little too far, but I think you get the gist of why Donald's nephews matter so much to Donald. And I've always felt that Donald and Daisy are the best parents to their nephews and nieces and that most of the comics do a great job of portraying that.

As for the romance between Donald and Daisy, I've always loved how their relationship is comical and when they both get mad because they really deserve each other. Daisy is sometimes a jerk and cheats on Donald, and Donald is sometimes a jerk and cheats on Daisy. I don't like how their relationships are just purely romantic without any dynamic, which I find too boring. That's why I love that the relationship between Donald and Daisy is very comical and romantic and you can really see everything from them, unlike the relationship between Mickey and Minnie.

[donaldistducktoons]

Since I saw the comments about Gosalyn in the Ducktales reboot, let me give my opinion about it. I mostly agree with djnyr that Gosalyn in the Ducktales reboot is too mature and that like the other Ducktales kids (except Boyd) she acts like an adult character with her own voice and really didn't need someone else that much, because she can take care of herself. And I saw the relationship between Drake and her more not as a relationship between her and her daughter, but more like a relationship between an older brother and a younger sister, and I hope I'm not the only one who noticed that. Although I know that everything has been said, I would also like to say that Gosalyn in the Ducktales reboot is not so much like her counterpart in the original Darkwing Duck, as that Gosalyn was modeled after a character from Transformers. More precisely from the Transformers: Animated series, and the character I'm talking about is Sari Sumdac. I don't know if anyone has seen the show or remembers it, except me, but that girl is the daughter of Isaac Sumdac, a brilliant professor and robotics genius (he was modeled after the robotics writer Isaac Asimov) and Sari herself behaved quite excited and was often with the Autobots and fighting villains. Until it was later revealed that she was actually a robot and that she was a mixture of protoforms and her father's DNA and from then on her life really changed. You can read more about her and that series here: tfwiki.net/wiki/Sari_Sumdac_(Animated)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers:_Animated

I'm not saying this for nothing, because one of the creators for the Transformers: Animated series was Matt Youngberg, who wrote a lot of scripts for certain Cartoon Network series at the time, and this probably influenced the Ducktales reboot series as well. Well I think that the character of Sari Sumdac has influenced the three characters in Ducktales like Webby, Lena and Gosalyn in their own ways. Gosalyn looked like Sari and partly acted like Sari, and she had her grandfather Professor Thaddeus Waddlemeyer who she lost, Lena transformed when she turned into more of a super good witch like Sari turned into a robot (until she found out she's a robot), though it's more of an MLP: Friendship Is Magic influence. Here's a video of Sari's transformation so you can see if Lena's transformation was similar:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XujonQ4uoww

And yes, just as Batman Beyond and Doctor Who influenced Webby's twist in the Ducktales reboot finale, so did the character of Sari from Transformers, as well as her discovery of her true DNA influencing the character of Webby that she is a clone and Scrooge's daughter (which of course I consider totally idiotic for doing that). But the difference between Sari and Webby is obvious, Sari is not as much a Mary Sue as Webby, but that twist that she is not really a human being affected her, as well as Webby which affected her not really being the granddaughter of Bentina Beakley, but Scrooge's daughter. By this I wanted to say that in addition to the mentioned films, series and comics from Marvel, DC, as well as the series Venture Bros., Gravity Falls, Rick and Morty, Ducktales was also influenced by the series Transformers: Animated in which Matt Youngberg himself contributed to it. In addition to Angones, the mistakes in Ducktales are borne by Youngberg and the other people who participated in it. But I certainly don't think Transformers: Animated is bad, as I enjoyed that series, but there's no need to take some past stuff into your new projects where it doesn't make sense, like I said in the case of Sari and the Ducktales girls. Just to mention this, since I see that no one has mentioned it but me. And you don't have to agree with me, I was just stating my observations about it.

[bats]

Jul 12, 2023 21:26:31 GMT donaldistducktoons said:

except when they had to end the romance between Donald and Queen Reginella in order for Donald to return to Daisy for a successful romance in the Ducktales reboot, at least according to some claims, which I'm not sure if are correct

I have no idea where these claims come from, but the actual reason is obviously that Donald and Daisy is the canonical pairing that needs to stay the status quo to allow for stories to be printed and reprinted in whatever order, not because of anything related to some random cartoon show. Everyone knew Reginella and Donald meeting again was never going to establish her as Donald's new girlfriend in every future story from that point on.
(that does not mean the ending was not god awful and one of the worst possible ways they could've possibly handled it, because it absolutely was. But blaming Ducktales for it is dumb)

[donaldistducktoons]

Jul 16, 2023 22:27:03 GMT bats said:

Jul 12, 2023 21:26:31 GMT donaldistducktoons said:

except when they had to end the romance between Donald and Queen Reginella in order for Donald to return to Daisy for a successful romance in the Ducktales reboot, at least according to some claims, which I'm not sure if are correct

I have no idea where these claims come from, but the actual reason is obviously that Donald and Daisy is the canonical pairing that needs to stay the status quo to allow for stories to be printed and reprinted in whatever order, not because of anything related to some random cartoon show. Everyone knew Reginella and Donald meeting again was never going to establish her as Donald's new girlfriend in every future story from that point on.
(that does not mean the ending was not god awful and one of the worst possible ways they could've possibly handled it, because it absolutely was. But blaming Ducktales for it is dumb)

I agree. That's why I said that it was more of a rumor, and I heard that from someone who complained about how Donald and Reginella had to break up and that was at the moment when the love couple between Donald and Daisy became popular because of Ducktales, so that probably came out conclusion. I found that claim strange, considering that many comic writers don't even care about Ducktales in 2017. So I just took it as a rumor and don't think Ducktales is to blame for it. It makes more sense to blame that series in the sense that The Legend of The Three Caballeros should have been shown instead of Ducktales, rather than the breakup of Donald and Reginella's relationship. While I don't blame Ducktales for that, it is solely the fault of Disney management for treating the Cabs series so poorly.

It's true that Donald and Daisy are a canon love couple and that certainly won't change, although there were plenty of fans who often complained that Donald shouldn't have Daisy, given Daisy's mistreatment of him as shown in most of the comics. Thankfully the newer comics have changed that approach, though I'd say it mostly comes because many people don't understand the true relationship between Donald and Daisy as depicted in the comics and cartoons.