Ducktales 2017

[bn2010]

Jul 16, 2023 22:27:03 GMT bats said:

Jul 12, 2023 21:26:31 GMT donaldistducktoons said:

except when they had to end the romance between Donald and Queen Reginella in order for Donald to return to Daisy for a successful romance in the Ducktales reboot, at least according to some claims, which I'm not sure if are correct

I have no idea where these claims come from, but the actual reason is obviously that Donald and Daisy is the canonical pairing that needs to stay the status quo to allow for stories to be printed and reprinted in whatever order, not because of anything related to some random cartoon show. Everyone knew Reginella and Donald meeting again was never going to establish her as Donald's new girlfriend in every future story from that point on.
(that does not mean the ending was not god awful and one of the worst possible ways they could've possibly handled it, because it absolutely was. But blaming Ducktales for it is dumb)

Mary Jane was also the canonical love interest of Spider-Man. And yet now they have parted in the comics. And her replacement will not be the second most popular Gwen Stacy, but Felicia Hardy, who is still less well known.

Anything happens. Again, not necessarily Reginella will return in the original universe. Perhaps someone will write a comic book or just devote a few pages to a parallel world. That's enough for the fans. Now the idea of a Multiverse is developing in cinema. And this opens the way to any ideas.

[That Duckfan]

I watched the first episodes of DuckTales '87 and '17 side by side the other day. I thought the 2017 pilot was pretty good. The plotting was tight, the characters helped to advance the story, and in general the show had a good idea of what it wanted to be. I didn't agree with everything (I still David Tennant wasn't the right actor for the role of Scrooge), but overall it was an above-average piece of children's television.

The 1987 pilot, on the other hand, is really showing its age. The show debuted a decade before I was even born, so it was always somewhat slow going, but rewatching it now, it really is an example of 1980s TV animation. The writing isn't even too bad, but it's played so safe and the pace is plodding. Huey, Dewey, and Louie are almost ordinary children, which is the most boring thing you can do with them. I'm not sure if their portrayal as miniature adults in DT17 is a great idea, but at least they match the competence levels they display in the comics.

[bats]

Jul 17, 2023 10:12:21 GMT bn2010 said:

Mary Jane was also the canonical love interest of Spider-Man. And yet now they have parted in the comics. And her replacement will not be the second most popular Gwen Stacy, but Felicia Hardy, who is still less well known.

I have no idea what you're even trying to say here, but you do realize Spider-Man is a character in an ongoing narrative where all stories happen on a set timeline, right? Disney comics don't work like that.

[Mesterius]

Jul 17, 2023 11:26:58 GMT That Duckfan said:

I watched the first episodes of DuckTales '87 and '17 side by side the other day. I thought the 2017 pilot was pretty good. The plotting was tight, the characters helped to advance the story, and in general the show had a good idea of what it wanted to be. I didn't agree with everything (I still David Tennant wasn't the right actor for the role of Scrooge), but overall it was an above-average piece of children's television.

The 1987 pilot, on the other hand, is really showing its age. The show debuted a decade before I was even born, so it was always somewhat slow going, but rewatching it now, it really is an example of 1980s TV animation. The writing isn't even too bad, but it's played so safe and the pace is plodding. Huey, Dewey, and Louie are almost ordinary children, which is the most boring thing you can do with them. I'm not sure if their portrayal as miniature adults in DT17 is a great idea, but at least they match the competence levels they display in the comics.

The weakest parts of the opening storyline for DuckTales 1987 are the two last chapters, "Cold Duck" and "Too Much of a Gold Thing". Webby was never a very interesting character, and "Cold Duck" feels rather like calculated pandering to the 'little girl' section of the audience when compared to the fun adventures of the first three episodes. "Too Much of a Gold Thing" is better adventure-wise, and has some impressive animation; but the storyline is partly ruined by the ridiculous portrayal of Scrooge's "gold fever", which isn't even remotely how gold fever actually works. It's really, really stupid.

However, "Don't Give Up The Ship", "Wronguay in Ronguay" and "Three Ducks of the Condor" are pretty fun. Maybe HDL could have been portrayed smarter (this is especially a problem in Season 2 onwards of the original DuckTales, where their roles are downplayed greatly), but I still think these are some of the better DuckTales episodes I've seen. They have plenty of rough edges and odd touches, of course. For instance, I don't know whose idea it was to temporarily make Scrooge a magician in "Three Ducks of the Condor" (watch the animation of him closely and you'll know what I mean), but it's a touch that pops up out of nowhere and is never seen again. Even so, there were many things I enjoyed when watching these three episodes: Scrooge in a very Barksian mode in his introductory scene, Donald saying goodbye to the kids, Scrooge and the kids figuring out their relationship, Donald and Launchpad interacting and ending up respecting one another. I do wish the resolution of the main story arc was better (as in, a lot better), but generally, I wouldn't mind if the rest of the DuckTales show was a bit more like this.

The single best DuckTales episode I've seen, though, has to be "A Whale of a Bad Time". This is the second installment of a four-part story referred to as "Catch as Cash Can", but you can watch it on its own. In this episode, we get not only a fantastic temper tantrum from Scrooge, which feels a LOT more like the character of the comics than DuckTales often does; but also a storyline where Scrooge and Donald are actually out on an adventure together. With the exception of "Three Ducks of the Condor", most of Donald's appearances in the old DuckTales show feel somewhat like cheats: he often ends up kidnapped, hypnotized, etc. and doesn't actually get to spend much time with the leads. This episode is different. The second half is almost entirely about Scrooge and Donald working together and fighting the villain of the story -- who, by the way, also feels rather Barksian to me in his eccentricity. I really, really wish there could have been more DuckTales outings where they just set out to do stories like the comics. Yeah, I actually want to see Scrooge, Donald and the boys together, like in those wonderful comics I grew up with. Who wouldn't?

[bn2010]

Jul 17, 2023 11:47:56 GMT bats said:

Jul 17, 2023 10:12:21 GMT bn2010 said:

Mary Jane was also the canonical love interest of Spider-Man. And yet now they have parted in the comics. And her replacement will not be the second most popular Gwen Stacy, but Felicia Hardy, who is still less well known.

I have no idea what you're even trying to say here, but you do realize Spider-Man is a character in an ongoing narrative where all stories happen on a set timeline, right? Disney comics don't work like that.

It's not about that. And about the fact that in comics, even very popular couples sometimes break up and the characters have other love interests. It's even easier for Disney to do this, because his comics don't have a single timeline. Nothing prevents you from writing a separate independent story, where Donald has a happy ending with Reginella, and not with Daisy. If they want to, of course.

[napoleondecheese]

It's impossible to make an animated faithful adaptation of Barks and Rosa's Scrooge stories today. Sorry, but they can't, because to keep the core of Scrooge as a character is anathema for today's culture.
Scrooge was a comically miser and petty (often borderlining Heroic Sociopath) First World capitalist who would go to poor countries and take their treasures for himself, and today that will put creators and audiences in fits. It can still fly in Europe, but in America it's a no. Even after Barks softened him Scrooge was still an explotatitive dude who would put his put down poor nephew through the grinder without second thoughts. But he still was sympathetic.
We empathize with this rich guy who, despite not actually having EVERYTHING when one looks at him, still keeps his wealth after reconciling with his family and adding even more to his capital while outdoing his enemies (with the token defeat here and there). Italy often takes this bastardry to another degree. But we still can feel for Scrooge and root for him.
Duck Tales 17 also has a Scrooge who can act selfish and callous while getting away with everything but does it the other way around. If classic Scrooge was a petty but likable miser this is a showboating kind-of jerk who mostly lacks the over the top greed that humanized him by ridiculing him, and he's a sorta toxic full of himself better than you who doesn't go far enough to be amusing in an Old Scrooge way.
The 1987 series already had some of that but it still mostly got Scrooge, even if he had lost some edge. He was still the recognizable product of his era who was a pulp adventure lead but not motivated by the adventure first and foremost; Scrooge can and should enjoy adventure but ultimately it should be the mean to purpose (money) to him. Scrooge is happy hunting for adventure in Africa, but he still can be just as captivated by sitting at his office counting his income and going over his business, sometimes it looked like 50% of his old stories started that way when the boys walked in.
And Scrooge is the spine of Duck Tales. If you can't characterize Scrooge well the rest falls around him. That doesn't mean the new show can't have good things but the basics are off since everything bounces off Scrooge, the patriarch, the most remarkable member of the family. It's like the DCEU, that mostly failed because it didn't get Superman and Superman is the foundations of the DC universe.

[bn2010]

Like djnir, I will express my opinion about the characters of Ducktales 2017.

#1. Huey Duck

Huey Duck — I think no one will deny that Huey is the best of the brothers. He is erudite, hardworking, sympathetic and selfless. He treats Uncle Donald better than others and is reasonably brave (with rare exceptions). At the same time, he is inferior in popularity to the brothers and Webby. It is understandable. It's hard to associate yourself with a character who doesn't have a clear line of development. Dewey in the first season wanted to find out the truth about mom, Louie in the second season wanted to create his own business and become rich. And what is Huey aiming for? Become the best Woodchucks? But this topic was given, God willing, two episodes (and one belongs to the first season). In general, we know woefully little about the organization that meant so much to the original nephews. The creators had a lot of ideas about Huey. But to tie them together turned out to be so-so. In one episode, the guy tries to organize a holiday and prove himself as a detective, in another he tries to get out of his comfort zone, in the third he learns to be himself, in the fourth he reconciles with the aggressive side of the personality (Duke). Perhaps the main idea is contained in two episodes — about the Terra-Firmians and "Challenge of the Senior Junior Woodchucks". The point was that Huey should stop blindly following the rules, accept the fact that he can't know everything, and develop intuition. The finale implies that Huey has achieved all three objectives. Therefore, at the beginning of the "Last Adventure", he developed and led the operation, and then climbed into the FOWL plane without a reference book. Impressive. There is only one problem. Such a plot is absolutely unrealistic. I mean, it's unrealistic that Huey has become a fast and confident leader.

Episodes like "Nightmare on Killmotor Hill" or "Terra-firmians" made it clear that Huey has almost no imagination. Remember, all that Huey could come up with in a dream or when creating an image of a robot is long legs. But the last one happened a couple of weeks before the final. I don't know if Huey is autistic or not (autism in itself does not mean a lack of imagination), but if a 13-year-old has problems with creative thinking, then you shouldn't hope for a big improvement. Imagination is formed in the first seven years. And Astro BOYD stressed that this is by no means a bad thing. Everyone has their own peculiarities. The moral of the episode — Be Only Yourself Dude. Or does this apply only to the robot-boy, and Huey still needs to change a lot? Somehow this is unfair.

The fact is that a leader needs imagination. Without it, there can be no intuition, and therefore no quick creative thinking. But the leader must act quickly, and often in conditions of complete or partial lack of information. That is why the leader of the Ninja Turtles is Leonardo (not Donatello), and the leader of the nephews Quack Pack is determined Huey (not smart Dewey). In addition, the leader must have authority, and red also lacks it. He is ridiculed by his fellow marmots (especially the Bully Beagle) and even his own brothers (even an attempt at support from Louis sounded insulting, "go to your stupid dreams").

If any of the triplets could become a leader, it was Louis. He acts better than others on the situation. Huey would be more suited to the role of analyst and theorist. The fact that he developed an operation plan in the final is logical. But it is better for him to leave the practical implementation of his plans to another.

What kind of development would correspond to the character of the character? In addition to the above, my opinion is as follows (of course, you do not have to agree with me). It was necessary to return to the idea of the episode about Terra-Firmians. In the end, Huey could not accept that there could be something mysterious and unknown in the world. He just entered information about the creatures in the guidebook. The third season was supposed to pay more attention to Huey's personal drama. And there is certainly drama. After all, in a world where a cave duck puts on a top hat and plays a musical instrument, where you can't know anything for sure, you can't feel safe. Besides, if knowledge doesn't matter in this world, then Huey himself is useless. After all, intelligence and knowledge are his main advantages. Here we can draw a parallel with Louie, who was also afraid of becoming useless. At the end of the season, Huey should have come to the conclusion that, yes, there are a lot of incomprehensible things in the world. But knowledge is still important. And he should not give up, but continue to explore the world and accept it as it is. Therefore, he would refuse to support Bradford, who could not come to terms with the chaos of the world and wanted to change it.

Strictly speaking, the animated series had everything I was talking about. But somehow too quickly and casually. Angones, Youngberg and the screenwriters got carried away with minor events and failed to properly demonstrate the transformation of the character moment. From the good — I liked the idea of Huey's aggressive alter ego. This is a very interesting expression of the idea that emotions should be controlled, but you can't keep them to yourself. After all, they can give you strength at the right moment.

PS. It seems to me that the creators themselves realized that there was no leader from Huey. The plan for the Funzo was successful only because it was developed in advance, and the leaders of the FOWL escaped without resistance (they even used the plan to their advantage). And in the Library of Alexandria, the hero did not show himself in any way. At first, he almost fell for Bradford's arguments, then he was locked in a glass cell, then he was tied up by May and June. The maximum he had enough for was to find a loophole in the contract together with his brothers. I expected more from the central character of the third season.

[donaldistducktoons]

Jul 24, 2023 17:18:12 GMT bn2010 said:

Like djnir, I will express my opinion about the characters of Ducktales 2017.

#1. Huey Duck

Huey Duck — I think no one will deny that Huey is the best of the brothers. He is erudite, hardworking, sympathetic and selfless. He treats Uncle Donald better than others and is reasonably brave (with rare exceptions). At the same time, he is inferior in popularity to the brothers and Webby. It is understandable. It's hard to associate yourself with a character who doesn't have a clear line of development. Dewey in the first season wanted to find out the truth about mom, Louie in the second season wanted to create his own business and become rich. And what is Huey aiming for? Become the best Woodchucks? But this topic was given, God willing, two episodes (and one belongs to the first season). In general, we know woefully little about the organization that meant so much to the original nephews. The creators had a lot of ideas about Huey. But to tie them together turned out to be so-so. In one episode, the guy tries to organize a holiday and prove himself as a detective, in another he tries to get out of his comfort zone, in the third he learns to be himself, in the fourth he reconciles with the aggressive side of the personality (Duke). Perhaps the main idea is contained in two episodes — about the Terra-Firmians and "Challenge of the Senior Junior Woodchucks". The point was that Huey should stop blindly following the rules, accept the fact that he can't know everything, and develop intuition. The finale implies that Huey has achieved all three objectives. Therefore, at the beginning of the "Last Adventure", he developed and led the operation, and then climbed into the FOWL plane without a reference book. Impressive. There is only one problem. Such a plot is absolutely unrealistic. I mean, it's unrealistic that Huey has become a fast and confident leader.

Episodes like "Nightmare on Killmotor Hill" or "Terra-firmians" made it clear that Huey has almost no imagination. Remember, all that Huey could come up with in a dream or when creating an image of a robot is long legs. But the last one happened a couple of weeks before the final. I don't know if Huey is autistic or not (autism in itself does not mean a lack of imagination), but if a 13-year-old has problems with creative thinking, then you shouldn't hope for a big improvement. Imagination is formed in the first seven years. And Astro BOYD stressed that this is by no means a bad thing. Everyone has their own peculiarities. The moral of the episode — Be Only Yourself Dude. Or does this apply only to the robot-boy, and Huey still needs to change a lot? Somehow this is unfair.

The fact is that a leader needs imagination. Without it, there can be no intuition, and therefore no quick creative thinking. But the leader must act quickly, and often in conditions of complete or partial lack of information. That is why the leader of the Ninja Turtles is Leonardo (not Donatello), and the leader of the nephews Quack Pack is determined Huey (not smart Dewey). In addition, the leader must have authority, and red also lacks it. He is ridiculed by his fellow marmots (especially the Bully Beagle) and even his own brothers (even an attempt at support from Louis sounded insulting, "go to your stupid dreams").

If any of the triplets could become a leader, it was Louis. He acts better than others on the situation. Huey would be more suited to the role of analyst and theorist. The fact that he developed an operation plan in the final is logical. But it is better for him to leave the practical implementation of his plans to another.

What kind of development would correspond to the character of the character? In addition to the above, my opinion is as follows (of course, you do not have to agree with me). It was necessary to return to the idea of the episode about Terra-Firmians. In the end, Huey could not accept that there could be something mysterious and unknown in the world. He just entered information about the creatures in the guidebook. The third season was supposed to pay more attention to Huey's personal drama. And there is certainly drama. After all, in a world where a cave duck puts on a top hat and plays a musical instrument, where you can't know anything for sure, you can't feel safe. Besides, if knowledge doesn't matter in this world, then Huey himself is useless. After all, intelligence and knowledge are his main advantages. Here we can draw a parallel with Louie, who was also afraid of becoming useless. At the end of the season, Huey should have come to the conclusion that, yes, there are a lot of incomprehensible things in the world. But knowledge is still important. And he should not give up, but continue to explore the world and accept it as it is. Therefore, he would refuse to support Bradford, who could not come to terms with the chaos of the world and wanted to change it.

Strictly speaking, the animated series had everything I was talking about. But somehow too quickly and casually. Angones, Youngberg and the screenwriters got carried away with minor events and failed to properly demonstrate the transformation of the character moment. From the good — I liked the idea of Huey's aggressive alter ego. This is a very interesting expression of the idea that emotions should be controlled, but you can't keep them to yourself. After all, they can give you strength at the right moment.

PS. It seems to me that the creators themselves realized that there was no leader from Huey. The plan for the Funzo was successful only because it was developed in advance, and the leaders of the FOWL escaped without resistance (they even used the plan to their advantage). And in the Library of Alexandria, the hero did not show himself in any way. At first, he almost fell for Bradford's arguments, then he was locked in a glass cell, then he was tied up by May and June. The maximum he had enough for was to find a loophole in the contract together with his brothers. I expected more from the central character of the third season.

The criticism and your opinion is fine about Huey, although I mostly agree with dyjnir's criticism about HDL in the Ducktales reboot. And your points are spot on.

Yes, even though I'm not a fan of that version of Donald's nephews, Huey is definitely my favorite so much in case he resembles the classic nephews from the comics and the OG Ducktales. However, I have a feeling that the writers of that series didn't like him for those reasons and that's why they smeared him (as they did similarly with Donald). I don't like how they did their version of the Junior Woodchucks and how Huey is the only member of it. Of course, knowledge is not always the most important thing, but the point from that series was how old-fashioned it is to use books and use new modern technologies like GPS and smartphones because it's like "cool", which was really bad. Not to mention how Huey had to accept the blame for something he wasn't always guilty of (a similar case with Donald, not to mention worse) and agree to let his rival Violet win the competition (the original idea was actually that it should have been Gosalyn who would beat Huey instead of Violet). And I don't think the writers wanted to portray Huey as the leader, but Dewey. It's certainly unfortunate because if each triplet was supposed to get his own focus in each season, then so did Huey, but in a better way, however, he got to share his season with Webby.

I agree that Louie should have been the leader of the triplets, he still carried the personalities that Huey had in the OG Quack Pack, although Louie would have been more like Eddy from Ed, Edd n Eddy. Although I've always preferred Huey to be the leader of the triplets, given that his name symbolizes that as well as being named after a famous Louisiana senator from the 1930s, Huey Long. And as much as a lot of people may hate what I'm about to say, I think the Quack Pack did a good job with the distinct personalities of Donald's nephews. If only they weren't too 1990s, they would be quite ok, after all, the problem with Quack Pack was bad script writing (similar problem with Ducktales reboot in season two and three). Huey in the Quack Pack was like a teenage version of a mix of James Dean and Casanova, but a capable leader. However, I'm not a fan of his behavior, which of course caused people's dissatisfaction with the Quack Pack version, but certainly that version has its advantages. In the OG Ducktales and the comics, Huey was smart, but the thing is, he was also the most responsible for his brothers because he was the oldest and always held himself in charge. Huey in Ducktales 2017 was probably like that too, only his brothers didn't appreciate him and I wouldn't like how Dewey and Louie treated him. Although Huey is not the leader in that series, he should be because of his age and responsibility.

What I could say is, and I've said it before, it wouldn't be a problem for them to have special personalities if it wasn't taken by Donald Duck, who lost all his bad personalities and his only purpose is to protect his family. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on Donald in that series. Yes, the special personalities of Donald's nephews were more inspired by the sayings of Scrooge McDuck mainly on Scrooge's character and work, while in other versions the personalities of Donald's nephews were mostly inspired by Donald's personalities (Donald remained the old one mostly) and the personalities of the boys of that period. Sorry about this, I was just stating my opinion, but I'm interested in what you have to say about the other characters next.

[bn2010]

#2. Dewey Duck.

I'm pretty sure that this clockwork boy is a favorite of the creators. You can't call him Marty Stew, but he's definitely more successful than any of the brothers. All his dreams for the finale came true: he found out the truth about his mother's fate, reunited with her and became her unofficial favorite (of course, Della tries to treat all three equally, but it's easier for her with Dewey, because there are many common interests). He is close to becoming a good pilot. Although not everything is clear here. In the episode "The Lost Cargo of Keith Cloudikker", Dewey kept the plane steady, but he didn't have enough for more. But a couple of weeks later, in the final, he was already doing somersaults that Han Solo would envy. By the way, Dewey is the only nephew who defeated the villain. His brothers' contribution to the victory was much less.

Even that's not all. If Dewey happened to be wrong, the consequences for him were insignificant. When he joined the pirates, the family apologized for not noticing him. Hiding information about his mother was quickly forgiven. The destruction of the Doomsday vault is the same result. Don't get me wrong, I'm not demonizing Dewey. He didn't want to hurt anyone, but they never even had an educational conversation with him. I was very confused by the episode "Rumble for Ragnarok". The moral of the episode is "Doing the right thing is more important than getting praised for doing it". But the guy eventually received praise and even help from the Vikings (cheating). In terms of the plot, everything is logical (the snake went too far with bravado and beating). But Aesop suffered. Dewey should have realized that some people wouldn't like him, no matter what he did. Right actions are good because they are right, not because you will be loved for them. As you know, let well alone. But, apparently, the creators decided to connive the thirst for fame of the middle son. That is why in "Louie's eleven" Dewey not only saved the situation and earned his brother's respect, but also got on the IT list. Although the event was started for the sake of the Three Caballeros, not for Dewey.

Maybe I'm too picky about the character. There is nothing terrible about luck (especially since Dewey suffers from middle child syndrome), but there is really too much of it. Especially when compared with other nephews. Huey did not become a Senior Groundhog, although he fully admitted his guilt and repented. Uncle Scrooge forbade him to organize holidays, the marmots laugh at him, Inspector Tezuka kicked him out of Tokyo. With Louis, the situation is even worse (sometimes he deserved a beating, but no less often he himself was treated unfairly). I haven't mentioned all sorts of little things yet: the foolishness in Atlantis, the circumstances of "Sword of Swanstatine" (I'll explain in more detail when I write about Webby, try to guess for yourself what I mean). But this is too much. This is a cartoon, excessive edification will not do any good either.

The most annoying thing is that Dewey can be both cool and reasonable at the same time. He performed well in the first season (when he was looking for his mother), in "Last Christmas", in "Lost Cargo". He knows how to try, but directors and screenwriters often make it easier for him. At least Dewey is in his place on the team. He is a tough fighter and pilot (a kind of Raphael and Michelangelo in one person). In "Lost cargo" he learned to be more serious in moments of danger, and this is very important. Moreover, Dewey had one defeat. More precisely, two (one behind the scenes). Timmy Jenkins got the attention of the public twice, leaving the duckling with nothing. Timmy is an unpleasant character, but in this case I was glad. I was already starting to build a theory that Dewey inherited Gladstone's luck.

The main problem is that Dewey didn't learn the two lessons he needed most. The first lesson is that a real family and friends will love you without exploits. Yes, there were Della's words, but she spoke only for herself. The second lesson is if you want to be cool, be that way. But first of all for your own sake, not for the sake of others. Narcissism and ostentation will not lead to anything good. "Rumble for Ragnarok", strictly speaking, uttered this moral. But the ending failed, turning Jormungandr from a noble demon and a combat pragmatist into a gloating braggart. He wasn't like that at the beginning of the episode.

As a result, he is an interesting character with potential. Character development is very simple. It becomes stronger and steeper than before (sometimes intermittently, but generally plausible). But favoritism is a dangerous thing. The author should treat all the characters equally... Sorry, this is personal. After "Miraculous" I have a skeptical attitude towards favorites.


PS. I guess I went a little too far with criticism. Dewey learned the second lesson. He learned the second of the lessons I mentioned in "The Last cargo of Kit Cloudkicker". Although there is not everything in order with Aesop. More on that later.

[bn2010]

#3 Louie Duck. Part 1 (There is a lot of information).

So we got to the most controversial and controversial of the main characters of the show. Fans on the forums cross spears in disputes whether he is positive or really an "evil triplet". I will pay tribute to the creators, they turned out to be a complex character (older brothers are simpler).

He is lazy, but talented; unprincipled, but kind; cunning, but poorly educated; charming, but often arrogant. He knows how to develop plans, but often forgets to calculate the consequences (and sometimes he can't do it). He is lazy, but he knows how to work when the fate of the world or family is at stake, or if there is a chance to get money. Is he greedy? Of course. But in a different way than Scrooge. McDuck likes to save money. He hates spending (although Rebut significantly downplayed this trait of character). But he is proud of the fact that he earned every cent honestly and hard work. Louis would be very happy to get as much money as possible, preferably easily and quickly. But he needs money not by itself, but as a means to achieve a comfortable life. And he is quite willing to share the money with his family. Although at the moment the family is not in trouble anyway. At a minimum, rich Scrooge provides them with food and a luxurious roof over their heads. Nevertheless, the guy is ready to share the money. It's a pity that we were never shown this dignity of Louie on the screen (it didn't go further than talking in "Louie's eleven").

Interesting fact. There is nothing particularly innovative about the character of Louie 2017. In the distant 1938, a comic called "Greedy kid" was published. In it, Donald was walking with his nephew, dressed just in green. And this boy was acting up, demanding a lollipop. He borrowed cowardice from a colleague from Ducktales 1987 and Quack Pack. Although Louie was more of a Cowardly lion there. Whereas in the reboot, he is teetering on the edge of a "cute coward" and a "dirty coward" (once he shouted monsters to eat his brothers first; a bad joke, in my opinion). He borrowed cowardice from a colleague from Ducktales 1987 and Quack Pack. Although Louie was more of a Cowardly lion there. Whereas in the rebut he is teetering on the edge of a "cute coward" and a "dirty coward" (once he asked the monster to eat his brothers, but not him). We have never seen him fight with anyone. Although, in theory, Louis should be able to stand up for himself. One mind is not always enough for defense (Huey learned this from his own experience in "Swanestatine"). I hope he knows some fighting techniques, he just didn't use them on the screen.

The main advantage of Louis is a sharp mind that helps him (according to the idea of the creators) to act on the situation and get out of trouble. But in fact, Louis does it badly. Most of his schemes got out of control, a several times he couldn't even fix the situation. He lacks knowledge and is not too arrogant to ask for advice from his family. In addition, he does not use his gift for other purposes. Scrooge always solved problems, did not avoid them. Louie, on the contrary, tries to avoid any difficulties. The animated series has punished him for this more than once. Has he learned his lesson? More on that later.

As I have already written, Louis has considerable leadership potential. In addition to his sharp mind, he also has the ability to inspire others (although sometimes offensive notes slipped into his speeches). But I understand why the creators didn't make him a commander in the end. Louie is too lazy. He does not like adventures and embarks on them for money and to be able to help his family (although he often creates additional problems). He loves comfort too much and wants to achieve it with as little effort as possible. That's why the audience loves him (we are too similar to him). But in the pursuit of money, Louie does not shy away from direct fraud (Louie's kids). In general, an extremely complex personality. Donald has definitely failed in his upbringing. How did it happen? About this in the second part.

[bn2010]

Louie Duck. Part 2

Compared to the brothers, Louie was the least romantic. If Huey craved knowledge, Dewey fame and adventure, then green only wanted a comfortable life and money prosperity. He saw how hard his Uncle Donald was working and how unlucky he was. Unfortunately, he drew the wrong conclusions from this situation. He decided that honest work would not lead to wealth. Therefore, he began to invent schemes of rapid enrichment. Donald either did not notice this, or could not influence his nephew, or let everything take its course. Sadly. Because already at the age of 7-8, Louie created a fraudulent charity organization — Louie's kids.

This organization was mentioned only three times (once in a podcast). However, it deserves more attention. Other schemes of the evil triplet were both more ambitious and more catastrophic (Timephoon), but they were also cartoonish and fantastic. There are also questions for "Louie's kids": how the guy created it at the age of seven; how he extended its activities to 49 states; why the organization is still operating if it is under investigation. But okay, this is a cartoon, such subtleties in it are insignificant. It is important that this organization looks realistic and criminal. This is a real fraud, a crime, and a double one. Because the money was stolen not only from those who decided to donate it (and these hardly include the rich, they usually create their own charitable foundations), but also from those to whom the money was originally intended. Children, hospitals, and so on. Do you understand? Where in the original Scrooge was shamed for simply refusing to engage in charity, rebut leaves a direct scam without consequences. Of course, it's possible that Officer Cabrera scared Louis so much that he finally shut down the organization. But it still exists in the podcast. Go figure out whether its action took place before "Beaks on the shell" or after. In "Louie's kids" the worst features of the character appeared, It even somehow does not fit with Louis' other actions, which were rather innocently insensitive or poorly thought out, but harmless. I know it was just a joke for the creators, but they went too far.

Okay, back to the plot. Moving to a rich great-uncle turned Louie's head for a while. He imagined himself the main heir of Scrooge, began to spend money immoderately. Scrooge cooled his ardor and did the right thing. He tried more than others to raise his younger nephew. He acted more according to the situation and not always successfully. Avarice interfered. Scrooge encouraged the boy to work honestly, but the reward for him was either meager (10 cents) or symbolic (a golden idol). Often there was no reward at all. When Louie found a use for harpies, Scrooge made him only an "unpaid intern." The guy didn't even get a one-time payment. Louie didn't get a cent for his part in the adventures either. Rules. In the second season, Scrooge told a story where the money at the end went to the thief Goldie, not him. Because of this, the little fool almost slipped into fraud altogether. As a result, the danger has passed. But not because Louis was disappointed in the theft, but because Goldie herself deceived him and ran away, not wanting to be his teacher. Scrooge made his last attempt to teach a child something in the episode "The Life and Crimes of Scrooge McDuck". I will touch on this series in another context. For now, I will only say that the story with the pets ended in failure. Louis did not apologize for the mess and told his uncle to deal with the consequences himself.

I must admit, the very line of development of Louis disappointed me. Firstly, it is too simple and formulaic for such a multifaceted character. Almost every episode (where Louis is the main character) is built according to the same scheme — Louie comes up with a plan, the plan fails, the boy is forced to correct the situation and learn lessons.

These lessons are not as haphazard as Huey's, but the priorities are set strangely. I will cite for comparison an episode from the original — Ducks to the future. There, the nephews also opened their own business — selling lemonade. It's not much of a business, but the triplets could have been doing it for a long time. In "Storkules in Duckburg", such a need was also mentioned (you have to sustain it over the long run). But then this lesson was forgotten. By the end of the third season, Louie's plans had become more reliable and safer (it's worth admitting this), but they remained disposable. Back in the original, Scrooge uttered his famous phrase — Work smarter, not harder. It would be very important for Louie. Scrooge had to convey to his nephew that the work is actually not so difficult and very profitable, if everything is properly thought out. Rebut led to this idea, but did not form it properly. And there was practically no talk of honest work at all. Even if you forget about Louie's kids, there is "Louie's eleven". I was touched that Louie decided to help his uncle become famous. But it's wrong to cheat your way into a party where you weren't invited. The team was lucky. Emma Glamour could have called the police. Louis has not yet become a law-abiding businessman.

[bn2010]

Louie Duck. Part 3 (End)

Basically, Louie's development line consists of two points: responsibility and the ability to work in a team. And here the situation is strange. It seems that the character has learned both lessons (the first by the end of season 2, the second in the episode "Louie's eleven"). But by the second half of the third season, he seemed to have returned to the starting point. In "New gods on the block", he was almost not scared when he turned the city and its inhabitants into gold. On the contrary, he wanted to keep the golden dog. Other examples — "The fight for Castle McDuck" and "The life and crimes of Scrooge McDuck". Of course, in real life, character regressions happen, but not as far-fetched and cynical as in the animated series. Why did the authors show us character development for three seasons if it was eventually merged?

With teamwork, too, not everything is clear. After "Louie's eleven", the guy never turned to anyone for advice or help. And this is a big mistake on his part. Even Scrooge McDuck did not build his empire alone. He had a family, assistants, mentors (like Howard Rockerduck). And Louie has no permanent allies in his activities.

I will analyze the events of "Typhoon", "Glomales" and "The richest duck in the world" when I get to Della and Scrooge. For now, I will focus on the role of Louis in the finale. In fact, he did not manifest in any way in "Last adventure". Huey, at least, shone in the beginning, and Dewey defeated one of the villains and struck Bradford himself. All Louie had to do was give an inspirational speech for Dewey. This is not what we expected from the "sharpest of cheaters". But he could have helped in drawing up a plan of attack on both FOWL bases.


Verdict — It is not surprising that the audience gives the hero polar ratings. Someone despises him for his laziness, selfishness, tendency to fraud, Aesop's amnesia and the problems he creates. Others love him for his charisma, heart of gold, attempts to benefit and the ability to do the right thing in the end. You can understand everyone. It's hard to analyze the character impartially and thoroughly (I don't think I did it). But I'm sure of one thing. The reason for all possible claims against this character is that his potential has not been fully realized. The animated series is overloaded with characters and development arcs. Some intersect with the Louie's Arch. In addition, although the authors raise serious topics, but the solutions are too simple and quick (most conflicts boil down to apologies, even the relationship of Della and Louis eventually became no exception). It is better for him to be in projects at a higher level. — Encanto or Inside out. In Ducktales 2017, he is cramped. The authors clearly overreacted with its development, as a result confusing both the audience and the character himself.

PS. I will add to my review of this hero when I move on to Della, Doofus Drake and some other heroes. I don't want to get stuck on this character.

Please write your opinion. Maybe you have something to add or object to.

[donaldistducktoons]

Aug 16, 2023 11:33:23 GMT bn2010 said:

Louie Duck. Part 3 (End)

Basically, Louie's development line consists of two points: responsibility and the ability to work in a team. And here the situation is strange. It seems that the character has learned both lessons (the first by the end of season 2, the second in the episode "Louie's eleven"). But by the second half of the third season, he seemed to have returned to the starting point. In "New gods on the block", he was almost not scared when he turned the city and its inhabitants into gold. On the contrary, he wanted to keep the golden dog. Other examples — "The fight for Castle McDuck" and "The life and crimes of Scrooge McDuck". Of course, in real life, character regressions happen, but not as far-fetched and cynical as in the animated series. Why did the authors show us character development for three seasons if it was eventually merged?

With teamwork, too, not everything is clear. After "Louie's eleven", the guy never turned to anyone for advice or help. And this is a big mistake on his part. Even Scrooge McDuck did not build his empire alone. He had a family, assistants, mentors (like Howard Rockerduck). And Louie has no permanent allies in his activities.

I will analyze the events of "Typhoon", "Glomales" and "The richest duck in the world" when I get to Della and Scrooge. For now, I will focus on the role of Louis in the finale. In fact, he did not manifest in any way in "Last adventure". Huey, at least, shone in the beginning, and Dewey defeated one of the villains and struck Bradford himself. All Louie had to do was give an inspirational speech for Dewey. This is not what we expected from the "sharpest of cheaters". But he could have helped in drawing up a plan of attack on both FOWL bases.


Verdict — It is not surprising that the audience gives the hero polar ratings. Someone despises him for his laziness, selfishness, tendency to fraud, Aesop's amnesia and the problems he creates. Others love him for his charisma, heart of gold, attempts to benefit and the ability to do the right thing in the end. You can understand everyone. It's hard to analyze the character impartially and thoroughly (I don't think I did it). But I'm sure of one thing. The reason for all possible claims against this character is that his potential has not been fully realized. The animated series is overloaded with characters and development arcs. Some intersect with the Louie's Arch. In addition, although the authors raise serious topics, but the solutions are too simple and quick (most conflicts boil down to apologies, even the relationship of Della and Louis eventually became no exception). It is better for him to be in projects at a higher level. — Encanto or Inside out. In Ducktales 2017, he is cramped. The authors clearly overreacted with its development, as a result confusing both the audience and the character himself.

PS. I will add to my review of this hero when I move on to Della, Doofus Drake and some other heroes. I don't want to get stuck on this character.

Please write your opinion. Maybe you have something to add or object to.

I was waiting for you to finish your analysis, so if it's not a problem, I can also give my comment on it. I mostly agree with you, although I don't like these versions of Donald's nephews at all (I may have explained before, but I'll explain here too) and the very essence and one of the key problems in Ducktales 2017 was the developing personalities of Donald's nephews.

Although I commented on Huey, I'll comment on him again, even though djnyr, alquackskey and Matilda all made good comments about him. While I liked Huey (not only wearing a cap, but also having the personalities of Donald's nephews from the original Ducktales and comics and being a member of the Junior Woodchucks), I don't like how they made him out to be a punching bag like and his uncle Donald and portrayed him as a boring nerd. I know that usually in cartoons and comics, nerds are mostly portrayed as boring people who are boring with their knowledge, but Huey really wanted to keep everything under control and teach his brothers and his friends useful things. Yes, as alquackskey has said in previous posts, he is also autistic which means that anything that is not under his control causes his anger as well. Unfortunately, the writers and creators of that series only made him an enraged nerd that no one understands except his close friends, and by giving him the personality of HDL from Ducktales 1987 and the comics, they made fun of the original version, because like the classic triplets they are boring, and they all look the same (not getting the old resemblance gag) and of course the Junior Woodchucks themselves as a boring scout group that's kind of out of date, which I think is shameless. Shouldn't children be taught that it is better to be more in nature and not too much on the mobile phone? As well as getting Huey to learn to deal with his anger, which happened quickly in the episode "The Split Sword of Swanstantine!" it just says that the writers didn't care that much about him, and that his supposed third season was more about Webby than him. Yes, he had his uncle's anger personality, and I'll talk about that later.

You are absolutely right about Dewey, the writers pushed him the most after Webby from the children, which is definitely inappropriate, because if the triplets are the main characters of that series, despite being different, they must be treated equally. Of course, I don't like Dewey and his behavior at all like he didn't learn his lessons and wanted everything his way, and his hyperactive behavior caused people to get hurt (especially the episode The Living Mummies of Toth-Ra ! explains best) as well as that he wanted to go into suicidal actions and fights to show that he matters (the episode "The Rumble for Ragnarok!" which is supposedly a copy of the episode from The Legend of The Three Caballeros "Mexico à Go- Go"). Not to mention that he was hiding a secret about his mother that he didn't share with his brothers, but shared with Webby, until his brothers saw through him in the episode "The Secret(s) of Castle McDuck!". Not to mention how he treated Scrooge afterwards and blamed him for his mother's disappearance, even though it was his own mother's fault that she ran away. But the worst was when he met his uncle again in the episode "Moonvasion!" and instead of being glad to see his uncle again, he blames him for ruining his life by not calling him Turbo. I know it's a cartoon, but if they wanted to show real life, they made a big mistake. This showed that Huey was the only one who loved and respected his uncle, while his brothers did not (they did in the first season, but not after that), which is even sadder, because it shows that despite raising them, Donald for ten years he was guilty of not respecting him. By the way, I would be interested in how you would describe Donald in Ducktales 2017, since for me he was really the most unhappy and, one might say, the most humiliated in that series. But back to the topic, Dewey is of course shown to be a future pilot in the episode "The Lost Cargo of Kit Cloudkicker!" in which he is mentored by his mom and Kit Cloudkicker, but it was seen that despite growing up, Kit was portrayed on the level of Dewey, which is not surprising, because the actors of those characters are actually best friends (Adam Pally and Ben Schwartz) in private life, which means that the series naturally promoted its famous actors, especially Ben Schwartz who played the blue triplet, Dewey. So don't be surprised why they forced him so much because that actor was their favorite (although of course they will say that their favorite actor is David Tennant, but how Scrooge turned out in that series was quite the opposite). Of course that favoritism is wrong, but it's not just the Ducktales reboot that has a problem with it, but other modern series as well. Yes, besides Huey who was like Dipper from Gravity Falls and Webby who was like Mabel, Dewey was like Sonic the hedgehog because of course he was blue and likes to be cool, which again proves how far the writers went with their favoritism. That's why I don't understand how they claim that every season was with every triplet, when it was obvious that Dewey appeared the most in that series, right after Scrooge and Webby. Even die-hard fans of that series have complained about this, even saying that Dewey has become the most irritating of his brothers. If the writers couldn't portray them equally, then they shouldn't have given them separate personalities. There is another series, which, despite its flaws, did better, but I will explain that later. I think that if they wanted to portray Dewey as an adventurer, they should have just reduced his passions and his hyperactivity.

And as for Louie, who you described and explained the problems related to him in three parts, you were right, although I don't understand why they had to make him a complex and difficult character. Yes, I don't like him at all, even though I liked him in the beginning, because he was a really good prankster, but later he disgusted me because he didn't understand the essence that money is not everything in the world, nor did he learn modesty. The epithet "evil triplet" could be him only if it was really bad things, and now his family treated him in some things as if it was ok to have money, while in some things not. And what I said in the previous thread about the triplets personality, is that someone being green does not automatically mean evil nor does it explain the nature of the color, which can be seen in other versions of Louie Duck. Now, whether the writers themselves wanted to make him a jerk and a WAK is a separate story, unless they found inspiration in Daffy Duck from The Looney Tunes Show, in which Daffy wore a green hoodie jacket in one episode. Of course, even though I'm a huge fan of Looney Tunes and especially Daffy Duck, his jerk personalities in TLTS just disappointed me as if they didn't know what Daffy was really like in the classic shorts (yes, different authors treated him in their own ways, but Daffy really had his great energy in all those classic shorts), which is a separate story, but it got me thinking that Louie's complex behavior wasn't actually inspired by the character Daffy Duck on The Looney Tunes Show. Daffy is a jerk and loves money, but it's forgotten that he can't be a boring jerk and that he has a lot of energy and will do anything just to get what he wants, which of course wasn't portrayed that way in TLTS, and one of the reasons why I was disappointed in that series. Also, I can see that inspiration was also taken from the character Eddy from Ed, Edd n Eddy and yes, that was one of my favorite Cartoon Network cartoons in my childhood. Eddy is an arrogant jerk who also loves money, and the leader of the group, but the thing is that he gets punished for his bad actions along with his crew, but in some things he gets punished by himself from which he had to learn his lessons. I didn't notice those things so much in the Ducktales reboot and when you tell Louie to even learn his lesson he soon stomps on it. I can tell you that they probably also made Doofus so awful that Louie would seem like a better person next to him, even though he isn't. Of course there are other child characters who act like jerks and want to achieve their goals in selfish ways like Lucy van Pelt from Peanuts, Stewen Griffin from Family Guy and others, but I will highlight one of my favorite characters who should have things in common with Louie, but he's way better than him. Yes, I'm talking about Plucky Duck from Tiny Toons Adventures. He is Daffy's student, but he also wants to be a hero and loves money and is a jerk himself and does everything to achieve his goals in selfish ways, but he is punished for his bad actions. And what is important, he is even funnier, there is no moment in which he is not funny when he appears. And his voice itself is that much better and suits his character (thanks Joe Alaskey for that), unlike Louie's which is typically a stereotypical 20-year-old voice (Bobby Moynihan's not a bad actor, but he's not for playing child characters, especially not Donald's nephews), not the voice of an 11-year-old boy. It is crucial to see that the character's voice is extremely important. Yes, what I can say about Louie too, is that he doesn't have a real friend nor has he made anyone his own age. Huey has a mentor Fenton and a friend Boyd, Dewey has friends Launchpad and Drake and through them met Gosalyn, and Webby made friends Lena and Violet (as much as I have complaints, I will say that they did a good job of making Webby friends in her own ways and their dynamic is was good), while Louie has no one. As it were, he changed his mentors from Donald's cousin Gladstone (Huey connects with Fethry and Dewey with Della Duck), through Scrooge to Goldie. Yes, I don't like their Goldie and Louie dynamic at all because as you stated Louie could only go down the wrong path with Goldie and it wouldn't show in a good light. Also, similar to the narcissistic Dewey and Louie he makes his people do what he wants no matter how many people get hurt because of his greed which is a bad representation that if you are the child of some rich person you can do anything because you have money and for those who don't, let them suffer , which is really desperate. Although I loved the episode "The House of the Lucky Gander!" where it was shown that even though Louie admired Gladstone, he still didn't forget that Donald was the most important person in the world to him, I was still sad at the end because Louie didn't show any respect for his uncle after that. The fact that in the finale he finally said goodbye to him and hugged his uncle doesn't say much, because he didn't even care where he was all the time before that. The situation with Uncle Donald and his disappearance is a separate story, but I will talk about that when you have your say, although I made my comment earlier in my previous comments.

All in all, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't have a problem with Donald's nephews having their own distinct personalities, but a big problem is that their characterization development, i.e. their arcs, were poor and there were almost no lessons learned that really learned and applied in the end, except for Huey who learned to deal with his anger, but that was helped more by Lena than his brothers. I would also say that I'm very unhappy with how they handled the relationship between the brothers as if they were more like cousins or close friends than really brothers. With classic triplets even though they look the same (that's their gag) they will always fight and have their own different hobbies, but they will always act together and really show that they are brothers. Not to mention how Dewey and especially Louie made fun of Huey even though he's their oldest brother, which sends the wrong lesson that even though they're the oldest you have to put yourself down to the younger ones which is a bad message. I guess you should respect the oldest, not the other way around. Also how only Huey is a member of the Junior Woodchucks, and usually they're all supposed to be together they're just in different places, like Huey is the leader of the group, Dewey is sort of the group's organizer and guide, while Louie collects for charity. This is how it turned out that everyone can go their own way. And as djnyr and Matilda stated earlier, it is not good that their special personalities are already determined at birth, and not as is usually the case during age and especially during puberty. The comics show different hobby interests among the triplets, but you should know that having different hobbies does not mean that you are not the same as them. I think that the writers and creators of that series did not understand the importance of Donald's nephews at all, but they did it in their own wrong ways. At the beginning of the series, Donald's nephews were supposed to be the same, but as they got older and met a lot of people and met in different places, they were developed in such a way that they would show their different interests and thus express their different personalities and thus grow during puberty. , as completely different characters, and it would be shown at the end of that series and then it would have a purpose and it would be a real success. That's why I liked the idea of Duck Daze (the original Quack Pack) in which Donald's nephews from the original Ducktales go through puberty and become better characters with their separate personalities, but still act together and help their uncle. But despite the change in the editorial office and how it turned out in the end, and despite the numerous flaws (although the others don't blame me for saying this, although I said about it in the previous forum), I think it's not badly executed, as Quack Pack did related for the personalities of Donald's nephews. In my opinion they did a good job, although they did make them too much in the 1990s, but if you didn't watch it, it would be really ok. And their real long names make more sense than what the Ducktales reboot did, but I might do a separate forum on that another time. What I mean by this is that Donald's nephews Huey, Dewey and Louie from the Quack Pack are actually teenage versions of the classic Donald nephews just grown through puberty where they have their own separate personalities and different interests, but despite everything they act together.

Yes, my real gripe with the Quack Pack series is that they had bad scripting, so the episodes turned out bad (not all though) on the level of OG Ducktales season 3 and 4 and OG Darkwing Duck season 2, but overall I enjoyed it , however what I will say were the episodes where they looked specifically at each triplet and did a good job of certain characterizations. With Huey Duck, yes, although a little complex, although not as much as with Louie in DT17, he certainly had his focus in episodes such as "Huey Duck, P.I.", "Cat & Louse" and "Feats of Clay" in which his special personality and his special flaws. Although he is not afraid of anything, he is still afraid of cats and even small ones and he had to overcome his fear especially in a situation where he had to save his brothers and his family. Also, Huey loved adventure, however he had to learn his lessons after every trouble he caused. He also likes girls, however in the episode "Feats of Clay", which is somewhat controversial, he gets into trouble when his Chinese girlfriend turns out to be a wicked evil sorceress who wants to rule the world, and in the end he realizes his mistake and saves his brothers and wins his ex-girlfriend who cheated on him. Dewey Duck who had his focus in episodes such as "Ducklaration of Independence", "The Boy Who Cried Ghost", "I.O.U. a U.F.O." and "Hit the Road, Backwater Jack", shows that he is the brains of his group and that he is also a prankster and loves astronomy, is interested in alien things and wants to live apart from his brothers. Unlike Dewey in DT17, where he wanted to explore it alone without his brothers for selfish reasons, Dewey in QP just wanted peace and away from his disturbing brothers, but realized that he couldn't function without them and that he defends himself so easily, so he returned to his own and shows that he loves his brothers despite everything. And his brothers save him when he is in trouble despite numerous misunderstandings. And that he has learned his lessons in some of the things he is wrong about. Louie Duck only appeared in two episodes in "None Like it Hot" and "Shrunken Heroes", where he showed his personalities and flaws. Yes, he is naive, he is not very smart, but he is not stupid either, but he is very friendly, wants to help, humble, brave and loves comics and superheroes. He also rescues endangered animals and constantly changes his occupations. Because of his indiscretions, his brothers get into trouble, but he himself falls because of it, he despite everything gets out and saves his brothers and himself from trouble. Yes, his features remind me a bit of Fethry, Donald's clumsy cousin from the comics, while Dewey reminds me of his uncle Donald. Yet even if they make trouble, they fall into that trap afterwards and learn a lesson from it. And they still love their uncle no matter what he is and he loves them. Yes, even though they have similar personalities to their uncle, still nothing was taken away from Donald and he remained as he is, while in the Ducktales reboot his bad personalities were given to his sister and his nephews while his only purpose was to take care of his family, and when he solved that then he found Daisy Duck.

Yeah, that's what I forgot to say, which is that you can't give Donald's nephews personalities while taking away everything from his uncle and leaving him with almost nothing because that loses the essence of Donald's character itself and that's one of my gripes with Ducktales reboot series. Yeah, I just wanted to compare the two series, that Quack Pack, despite its flaws, did good things with Donald's nephews and the relationship between Donald and his nephews, unlike the Ducktales reboot. Quite simply, another problem with Donald's nephews in the Ducktales reboot related to their personalities is that they seem more like older teenagers, not only in their voices, but also in the way they act, even in things that are not appropriate for their age. Of course, Ducktales is not the only such series, it is an inherited trend from the series Phineas & Ferb, Adventure Time and Gravity Falls, the only difference is that in those series the main characters shined in their own ways and had good focuses, while in the Ducktales reboot it was not like that.

I was going to add more, but I think this is enough, and I agree with your comments that you made, and sorry that this turned out to be long, I just didn't know how to make it shorter, but I just wanted to express my views and comparisons. And yes I purposely compared Quack Pack and Ducktales, just in terms of Donald's nephews, because DT17 took some inspiration from QP when looking at Huey, Dewey and Louie. Of course, these are just my opinions and you don't have to agree with me and I'm sorry if I offended someone with these comments, it's not my intention, I just said my criticisms and my opinions and comparisons. I will tell about the other characters, when you continue your reviews.

[bn2010]

Aug 18, 2023 2:05:09 GMT donaldistducktoons said:

Aug 16, 2023 11:33:23 GMT bn2010 said:

Louie Duck. Part 3 (End)

Basically, Louie's development line consists of two points: responsibility and the ability to work in a team. And here the situation is strange. It seems that the character has learned both lessons (the first by the end of season 2, the second in the episode "Louie's eleven"). But by the second half of the third season, he seemed to have returned to the starting point. In "New gods on the block", he was almost not scared when he turned the city and its inhabitants into gold. On the contrary, he wanted to keep the golden dog. Other examples — "The fight for Castle McDuck" and "The life and crimes of Scrooge McDuck". Of course, in real life, character regressions happen, but not as far-fetched and cynical as in the animated series. Why did the authors show us character development for three seasons if it was eventually merged?

With teamwork, too, not everything is clear. After "Louie's eleven", the guy never turned to anyone for advice or help. And this is a big mistake on his part. Even Scrooge McDuck did not build his empire alone. He had a family, assistants, mentors (like Howard Rockerduck). And Louie has no permanent allies in his activities.

I will analyze the events of "Typhoon", "Glomales" and "The richest duck in the world" when I get to Della and Scrooge. For now, I will focus on the role of Louis in the finale. In fact, he did not manifest in any way in "Last adventure". Huey, at least, shone in the beginning, and Dewey defeated one of the villains and struck Bradford himself. All Louie had to do was give an inspirational speech for Dewey. This is not what we expected from the "sharpest of cheaters". But he could have helped in drawing up a plan of attack on both FOWL bases.


Verdict — It is not surprising that the audience gives the hero polar ratings. Someone despises him for his laziness, selfishness, tendency to fraud, Aesop's amnesia and the problems he creates. Others love him for his charisma, heart of gold, attempts to benefit and the ability to do the right thing in the end. You can understand everyone. It's hard to analyze the character impartially and thoroughly (I don't think I did it). But I'm sure of one thing. The reason for all possible claims against this character is that his potential has not been fully realized. The animated series is overloaded with characters and development arcs. Some intersect with the Louie's Arch. In addition, although the authors raise serious topics, but the solutions are too simple and quick (most conflicts boil down to apologies, even the relationship of Della and Louis eventually became no exception). It is better for him to be in projects at a higher level. — Encanto or Inside out. In Ducktales 2017, he is cramped. The authors clearly overreacted with its development, as a result confusing both the audience and the character himself.

PS. I will add to my review of this hero when I move on to Della, Doofus Drake and some other heroes. I don't want to get stuck on this character.

Please write your opinion. Maybe you have something to add or object to.

I was waiting for you to finish your analysis, so if it's not a problem, I can also give my comment on it. I mostly agree with you, although I don't like these versions of Donald's nephews at all (I may have explained before, but I'll explain here too) and the very essence and one of the key problems in Ducktales 2017 was the developing personalities of Donald's nephews.

Although I commented on Huey, I'll comment on him again, even though djnyr, alquackskey and Matilda all made good comments about him. While I liked Huey (not only wearing a cap, but also having the personalities of Donald's nephews from the original Ducktales and comics and being a member of the Junior Woodchucks), I don't like how they made him out to be a punching bag like and his uncle Donald and portrayed him as a boring nerd. I know that usually in cartoons and comics, nerds are mostly portrayed as boring people who are boring with their knowledge, but Huey really wanted to keep everything under control and teach his brothers and his friends useful things. Yes, as alquackskey has said in previous posts, he is also autistic which means that anything that is not under his control causes his anger as well. Unfortunately, the writers and creators of that series only made him an enraged nerd that no one understands except his close friends, and by giving him the personality of HDL from Ducktales 1987 and the comics, they made fun of the original version, because like the classic triplets they are boring, and they all look the same (not getting the old resemblance gag) and of course the Junior Woodchucks themselves as a boring scout group that's kind of out of date, which I think is shameless. Shouldn't children be taught that it is better to be more in nature and not too much on the mobile phone? As well as getting Huey to learn to deal with his anger, which happened quickly in the episode "The Split Sword of Swanstantine!" it just says that the writers didn't care that much about him, and that his supposed third season was more about Webby than him. Yes, he had his uncle's anger personality, and I'll talk about that later.

You are absolutely right about Dewey, the writers pushed him the most after Webby from the children, which is definitely inappropriate, because if the triplets are the main characters of that series, despite being different, they must be treated equally. Of course, I don't like Dewey and his behavior at all like he didn't learn his lessons and wanted everything his way, and his hyperactive behavior caused people to get hurt (especially the episode The Living Mummies of Toth-Ra ! explains best) as well as that he wanted to go into suicidal actions and fights to show that he matters (the episode "The Rumble for Ragnarok!" which is supposedly a copy of the episode from The Legend of The Three Caballeros "Mexico à Go- Go"). Not to mention that he was hiding a secret about his mother that he didn't share with his brothers, but shared with Webby, until his brothers saw through him in the episode "The Secret(s) of Castle McDuck!". Not to mention how he treated Scrooge afterwards and blamed him for his mother's disappearance, even though it was his own mother's fault that she ran away. But the worst was when he met his uncle again in the episode "Moonvasion!" and instead of being glad to see his uncle again, he blames him for ruining his life by not calling him Turbo. I know it's a cartoon, but if they wanted to show real life, they made a big mistake. This showed that Huey was the only one who loved and respected his uncle, while his brothers did not (they did in the first season, but not after that), which is even sadder, because it shows that despite raising them, Donald for ten years he was guilty of not respecting him. By the way, I would be interested in how you would describe Donald in Ducktales 2017, since for me he was really the most unhappy and, one might say, the most humiliated in that series. But back to the topic, Dewey is of course shown to be a future pilot in the episode "The Lost Cargo of Kit Cloudkicker!" in which he is mentored by his mom and Kit Cloudkicker, but it was seen that despite growing up, Kit was portrayed on the level of Dewey, which is not surprising, because the actors of those characters are actually best friends (Adam Pally and Ben Schwartz) in private life, which means that the series naturally promoted its famous actors, especially Ben Schwartz who played the blue triplet, Dewey. So don't be surprised why they forced him so much because that actor was their favorite (although of course they will say that their favorite actor is David Tennant, but how Scrooge turned out in that series was quite the opposite). Of course that favoritism is wrong, but it's not just the Ducktales reboot that has a problem with it, but other modern series as well. Yes, besides Huey who was like Dipper from Gravity Falls and Webby who was like Mabel, Dewey was like Sonic the hedgehog because of course he was blue and likes to be cool, which again proves how far the writers went with their favoritism. That's why I don't understand how they claim that every season was with every triplet, when it was obvious that Dewey appeared the most in that series, right after Scrooge and Webby. Even die-hard fans of that series have complained about this, even saying that Dewey has become the most irritating of his brothers. If the writers couldn't portray them equally, then they shouldn't have given them separate personalities. There is another series, which, despite its flaws, did better, but I will explain that later. I think that if they wanted to portray Dewey as an adventurer, they should have just reduced his passions and his hyperactivity.

And as for Louie, who you described and explained the problems related to him in three parts, you were right, although I don't understand why they had to make him a complex and difficult character. Yes, I don't like him at all, even though I hated him in the beginning, because he was a really good prankster, but later he disgusted me because he didn't understand the essence that money is not everything in the world, nor did he learn modesty. The epithet "evil triplet" could be him only if it was really bad things, and now his family treated him in some things as if it was ok to have money, while in some things not. And what I said in the previous thread about the triplets personality, is that someone being green does not automatically mean evil nor does it explain the nature of the color, which can be seen in other versions of Louie Duck. Now, whether the writers themselves wanted to make him a jerk and a WAK is a separate story, unless they found inspiration in Daffy Duck from The Looney Tunes Show, in which Daffy wore a green hoodie jacket in one episode. Of course, even though I'm a huge fan of Looney Tunes and especially Daffy Duck, his jerk personalities in TLTS just disappointed me as if they didn't know what Daffy was really like in the classic shorts (yes, different authors treated him in their own ways, but Daffy really had his great energy in all those classic shorts), which is a separate story, but it got me thinking that Louie's complex behavior wasn't actually inspired by the character Daffy Duck on The Looney Tunes Show. Daffy is a jerk and loves money, but it's forgotten that he can't be a boring jerk and that he has a lot of energy and will do anything just to get what he wants, which of course wasn't portrayed that way in TLTS, and one of the reasons why I was disappointed in that series. Also, I can see that inspiration was also taken from the character Eddy from Ed, Edd n Eddy and yes, that was one of my favorite Cartoon Network cartoons in my childhood. Eddy is an arrogant jerk who also loves money, and the leader of the group, but the thing is that he gets punished for his bad actions along with his crew, but in some things he gets punished by himself from which he had to learn his lessons. I didn't notice those things so much in the Ducktales reboot and when you tell Louie to even learn his lesson he soon stomps on it. I can tell you that they probably also made Doofus so awful that Louie would seem like a better person next to him, even though he isn't. Of course there are other child characters who act like jerks and want to achieve their goals in selfish ways like Lucy van Pelt from Peanuts, Stewen Griffin from Family Guy and others, but I will highlight one of my favorite characters who should have things in common with Louie, but he's way better than him. Yes, I'm talking about Plucky Duck from Tiny Toons Adventures. He is Daffy's student, but he also wants to be a hero and loves money and is a jerk himself and does everything to achieve his goals in selfish ways, but he is punished for his bad actions. And what is important, he is even funnier, there is no moment in which he is not funny when he appears. And his voice itself is that much better and suits his character (thanks Joe Alaskey for that), unlike Louie's which is typically a stereotypical 20-year-old voice (Bobby Moynihan's not a bad actor, but he's not for playing child characters, especially not Donald's nephews), not the voice of an 11-year-old boy. It is crucial to see that the character's voice is extremely important. Yes, what I can say about Louie too, is that he doesn't have a real friend nor has he made anyone his own age. Huey has a mentor Fenton and a friend Boyd, Dewey has friends Launchpad and Drake and through them met Gosalyn, and Webby made friends Lena and Violet (as much as I have complaints, I will say that they did a good job of making Webby friends in her own ways and their dynamic is was good), while Louie has no one. As it were, he changed his mentors from Donald's cousin Gladstone (Huey connects with Fethry and Dewey with Della Duck), through Scrooge to Goldie. Yes, I don't like their Goldie and Louie dynamic at all because as you stated Louie could only go down the wrong path with Goldie and it wouldn't show in a good light. Also, similar to the narcissistic Dewey and Louie he makes his people do what he wants no matter how many people get hurt because of his greed which is a bad representation that if you are the child of some rich person you can do anything because you have money and for those who don't, let them suffer , which is really desperate. Although I loved the episode "The House of the Lucky Gander!" where it was shown that even though Louie admired Gladstone, he still didn't forget that Donald was the most important person in the world to him, I was still sad at the end because Louie didn't show any respect for his uncle after that. The fact that in the finale he finally said goodbye to him and hugged his uncle doesn't say much, because he didn't even care where he was all the time before that. The situation with Uncle Donald and his disappearance is a separate story, but I will talk about that when you have your say, although I made my comment earlier in my previous comments.

All in all, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't have a problem with Donald's nephews having their own distinct personalities, but a big problem is that their characterization development, i.e. their arcs, were poor and there were almost no lessons learned that really learned and applied in the end, except for Huey who learned to deal with his anger, but that was helped more by Lena than his brothers. I would also say that I'm very unhappy with how they handled the relationship between the brothers as if they were more like cousins or close friends than really brothers. With classic triplets even though they look the same (that's their gag) they will always fight and have their own different hobbies, but they will always act together and really show that they are brothers. Not to mention how Dewey and especially Louie made fun of Huey even though he's their oldest brother, which sends the wrong lesson that even though they're the oldest you have to put yourself down to the younger ones which is a bad message. I guess you should respect the oldest, not the other way around. Also how only Huey is a member of the Junior Woodchucks, and usually they're all supposed to be together they're just in different places, like Huey is the leader of the group, Dewey is sort of the group's organizer and guide, while Louie collects for charity. This is how it turned out that everyone can go their own way. And as djnyr and Matilda stated earlier, it is not good that their special personalities are already determined at birth, and not as is usually the case during age and especially during puberty. The comics show different hobby interests among the triplets, but you should know that having different hobbies does not mean that you are not the same as them. I think that the writers and creators of that series did not understand the importance of Donald's nephews at all, but they did it in their own wrong ways. At the beginning of the series, Donald's nephews were supposed to be the same, but as they got older and met a lot of people and met in different places, they were developed in such a way that they would show their different interests and thus express their different personalities and thus grow during puberty. , as completely different characters, and it would be shown at the end of that series and then it would have a purpose and it would be a real success. That's why I liked the idea of Duck Daze (the original Quack Pack) in which Donald's nephews from the original Ducktales go through puberty and become better characters with their separate personalities, but still act together and help their uncle. But despite the change in the editorial office and how it turned out in the end, and despite the numerous flaws (although the others don't blame me for saying this, although I said about it in the previous forum), I think it's not badly executed, as Quack Pack did related for the personalities of Donald's nephews. In my opinion they did a good job, although they did make them too much in the 1990s, but if you didn't watch it, it would be really ok. And their real long names make more sense than what the Ducktales reboot did, but I might do a separate forum on that another time. What I mean by this is that Donald's nephews Huey, Dewey and Louie from the Quack Pack are actually teenage versions of the classic Donald nephews just grown through puberty where they have their own separate personalities and different interests, but despite everything they act together.

Yes, my real gripe with the Quack Pack series is that they had bad scripting, so the episodes turned out bad (not all though) on the level of OG Ducktales season 3 and 4 and OG Darkwing Duck season 2, but overall I enjoyed it , however what I will say were the episodes where they looked specifically at each triplet and did a good job of certain characterizations. With Huey Duck, yes, although a little complex, although not as much as with Louie in DT17, he certainly had his focus in episodes such as "Huey Duck, P.I.", "Cat & Louse" and "Feats of Clay" in which his special personality and his special flaws. Although he is not afraid of anything, he is still afraid of cats and even small ones and he had to overcome his fear especially in a situation where he had to save his brothers and his family. Also, Huey loved adventure, however he had to learn his lessons after every trouble he caused. He also likes girls, however in the episode "Feats of Clay", which is somewhat controversial, he gets into trouble when his Chinese girlfriend turns out to be a wicked evil sorceress who wants to rule the world, and in the end he realizes his mistake and saves his brothers and wins his ex-girlfriend who cheated on him. Dewey Duck who had his focus in episodes such as "Ducklaration of Independence", "The Boy Who Cried Ghost", "I.O.U. a U.F.O." and "Hit the Road, Backwater Jack", shows that he is the brains of his group and that he is also a prankster and loves astronomy, is interested in alien things and wants to live apart from his brothers. Unlike Dewey in DT17, where he wanted to explore it alone without his brothers for selfish reasons, Dewey in QP just wanted peace and away from his disturbing brothers, but realized that he couldn't function without them and that he defends himself so easily, so he returned to his own and shows that he loves his brothers despite everything. And his brothers save him when he is in trouble despite numerous misunderstandings. And that he has learned his lessons in some of the things he is wrong about. Louie Duck only appeared in two episodes in "None Like it Hot" and "Shrunken Heroes", where he showed his personalities and flaws. Yes, he is naive, he is not very smart, but he is not stupid either, but he is very friendly, wants to help, humble, brave and loves comics and superheroes. He also rescues endangered animals and constantly changes his occupations. Because of his indiscretions, his brothers get into trouble, but he himself falls because of it, he despite everything gets out and saves his brothers and himself from trouble. Yes, his features remind me a bit of Fethry, Donald's clumsy cousin from the comics, while Dewey reminds me of his uncle Donald. Yet even if they make trouble, they fall into that trap afterwards and learn a lesson from it. And they still love their uncle no matter what he is and he loves them. Yes, even though they have similar personalities to their uncle, still nothing was taken away from Donald and he remained as he is, while in the Ducktales reboot his bad personalities were given to his sister and his nephews while his only purpose was to take care of his family, and when he solved that then he found Daisy Duck.

Yeah, that's what I forgot to say, which is that you can't give Donald's nephews personalities while taking away everything from his uncle and leaving him with almost nothing because that loses the essence of Donald's character itself and that's one of my gripes with Ducktales reboot series. Yeah, I just wanted to compare the two series, that Quack Pack, despite its flaws, did good things with Donald's nephews and the relationship between Donald and his nephews, unlike the Ducktales reboot. Quite simply, another problem with Donald's nephews in the Ducktales reboot related to their personalities is that they seem more like older teenagers, not only in their voices, but also in the way they act, even in things that are not appropriate for their age. Of course, Ducktales is not the only such series, it is an inherited trend from the series Phineas & Ferb, Adventure Time and Gravity Falls, the only difference is that in those series the main characters shined in their own ways and had good focuses, while in the Ducktales reboot it was not like that.

I was going to add more, but I think this is enough, and I agree with your comments that you made, and sorry that this turned out to be long, I just didn't know how to make it shorter, but I just wanted to express my views and comparisons. And yes I purposely compared Quack Pack and Ducktales, just in terms of Donald's nephews, because DT17 took some inspiration from QP when looking at Huey, Dewey and Louie. Of course, these are just my opinions and you don't have to agree with me and I'm sorry if I offended someone with these comments, it's not my intention, I just said my criticisms and my opinions and comparisons. I will tell about the other characters, when you continue your reviews.

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4 Webbigale Vanderquack. Part 1.

I confess, I feel sorry for the original. Neither the triplets nor the audience particularly liked the old Webby. Huey, Dewey, and Louie gradually warmed to her. But many viewers still considered her too mawkish and irritable. And now, in the heyday of feminism, such a character would be perceived even more negatively. Unsurprisingly, the new Webby is strong, agile and a martial artist. However, despite this, it is very similar to the original. Surprised? The old version would also have become like this if she had been brought up not by a sweet caring nanny, but by a strict female agent. At the same time, despite her upbringing, Webby 17 is still kind, friendly and naive. Which is not surprising, because she grew up almost alone. She left the mansion only to take a survival course on a desert island and the like. She had no one to communicate with except her grandmother (Scrooge did not pay attention to her, and the girl, apparently, was forbidden to disturb him). Truly, Webby's childhood was terrible. Alas, the animated series does not reveal this drama at all. All the oddities of the heroine (lack of social skills, propensity for violence) are nothing more than a reason for jokes. This is just my opinion, but I think this approach is wrong.

Even the authors have not quite decided on Webby's ability to lie and understand lies. The first episodes show that the concept itself is incomprehensible to her and only in the "Last Adventure" she begins to master the science of deception (hurrah). But in "Impossibin" she played the role of Dewey so successfully that his brothers did not recognize it. Webby's ignorance in this matter makes no sense. Grandma had to explain to her what a lie is. If Webby just didn't know how to lie, it would be understandable. But okay, this is just a topic for jokes, you can not find fault much here.

The girl does not have a big arch of development. It makes sense, because she didn't get her own (except for the third one, which she shared with Huey). Although the creators said something about the place in the family that she earned by honest work (the fourth part of Scrooge's motto). A beautiful phrase, but unfair. A good family differs from other unions of people, like friendship, in that you don't have to earn a place in it. Because, you know, there is such a thing as unconditional love. And Webby lived almost alone for ten years, undergoing severe training. By this alone, she deserved a loving family. On the other hand, it wasn't that hard for Webby to earn a place in the family. After all, she is, without exaggeration, obsessed with the adventures and history of the McDuck clan. Obsession is not the best thing (even the Bible says, "don't make idols for yourself"), but the animated series does not consider it, as well as Webby's naivety, shortcomings. Several times she confided in completely unfamiliar birds (Lina, Violet, May and June). And they all turned out to be good in the end, even if they initially helped the villains. Louie tried to change the situation in "The Lost Harp of Mervana", but the lesson was learned too well, so in the end it was necessary to restore the status quo. In several episodes (in the same "harp" or about Santa Claus) Webby learned to question the words and actions of Grandma and Scrooge McDuck. But I don't think she will remember these lessons. Because they are family (and Scrooge turned out to be the father). In general, by the end of the story, the girl remained as trusting as she was at the beginning. Is it good? Decide for yourself.

There are a few more episodes. Once Webby realized that she did not need to look up to Della (of course, she did not need to, she shines without it). At the same time, we never saw the episode about the girl's interaction with Donald. Although at the very beginning she called him a great adventurer and admired Donald no less than Scrooge. And in the "Sword of Swanstatine", Dewey taught Webby to rely on instincts. This is absolutely ridiculous. The previous episode (Escape from Impossibin) demonstrated Webby's enormous talents. And now it turns out that she does not know how to navigate in conditions of poor visibility? I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. Beakley had to teach her granddaughter this. Louie has a well-developed intuition. Dewey always runs headlong into the epicenter of danger. His "leap of faith" may consist only in blind luck.

In general, the character of the girl has not changed much during the animated series, but the authors did not set themselves such a task. But Webby's position in the family has changed VERY MUCH. About this in the second part.