Ducktales 2017

[The KKM]

Jul 23, 2017 2:54:49 GMT Minotaur said:

Jul 22, 2017 21:01:45 GMT Pan Maciej said:

Is... is Scrooge being left hended a big deal...? (like he was ment to be right hended in the oficial continutiy) Just asking.

(I myself never paid atention to what head people use for writing and never got what diffrence it makes so It always fascinated me when people notice such detales )

Nah, just noticed it. 

Edit: I must admit I noticed it was because in many crime fictions left-handedness is the clue leading to whodunit   I read too many of them

[Pan Maciej]

I asume this is partly homage to the video game... 

You can hear Glomgold's voice! It's much more thugish  then Hal Smith's version, I will have to get use to it.

What's even more "thugish" about this Glomgold is that he tries to take down Scrooge by throwing knives at him. I mean, I know Glomgold can get murderous at his worst, but I would expect a tad more class out him

The Money Bin on other hand felt a bit narrow but It maybe just the CGI video-game like animation.


Finally "The Key of Trala-la"? A bit random Barks refrence (nice Pun but still) I wonder was it just for this clip of there is a big Land of Trala-la story arc on the show...

[Matilda]

...and if there is indeed a big Land of Tralla-La story arc in the show, will it turn out that that is where Della's been all these years? In a version of Rosa's own headcanon explanation....

[iggy]

wow kids calling him scrooge is a bigger turn off than this modern limited animation

[RobbK1]

Jul 29, 2017 20:56:45 GMT iggy said:

wow kids calling him scrooge is a bigger turn off than this modern limited animation

Wow! That's awful!  Such disrespect! When I was young kids would NEVER dare to call their parents or grandparents' generation by their first names.  What right do they have to treat them with such disrespect - acting like they are PEERS!  When we were young lots of kids called their parents Ma'am and Sir.  They only spoke when spoken to.  We didn't even know their first names.  We thought their names were "Mama" and "Papa".  We thought our grandparents' names were "Oma" and "Opa" (Granma and Granpa), and our aunts' and uncles' names were "Tante" and "Oompje".  Goldurn young whippersnappers!  Who do they think they are???  Civilisation is falling apart before our very eyes!  

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Our apparent first look at "well-traveled teen Lena".

[RobbK1]

Jul 30, 2017 2:38:38 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Our apparent first look at "well-traveled teen Lena".

Is this Webby?  Or a new character named Lena?

[drakeborough]

Jul 30, 2017 0:08:42 GMT RobbK1 said:

Jul 29, 2017 20:56:45 GMT iggy said:

wow kids calling him scrooge is a bigger turn off than this modern limited animation

Wow! That's awful!  Such disrespect! When I was young kids would NEVER dare to call their parents or grandparents' generation by their first names.  What right do they have to treat them with such disrespect - acting like they are PEERS!  When we were young lots of kids called their parents Ma'am and Sir.  They only spoke when spoken to.  We didn't even know their first names.  We thought their names were "Mama" and "Papa".  We thought our grandparents' names were "Oma" and "Opa" (Granma and Granpa), and our aunts' and uncles' names were "Tante" and "Oompje".  Goldurn young whippersnappers!  Who do they think they are???  Civilisation is falling apart before our very eyes!  

I assume the last line is ironic, right? If anything, I found creepy the concept of thinking "Mama" and "Papa" are actual first names, not to mention using overly formal terms like Ma'am and Sir. If such things are not true anymore, then society is definitely improving. "They only spoke when spoken to"? What the... ?

Anyway, in this video the fact that a nephew went from "gold for everybody" to "gold for Scrooge" feels natural, unlike the previous video in which they called him "Scrooge" instead of "uncle Scrooge", which felt unnatural. My guess is that they will start calling him "uncle Scrooge" as soon as they get to know him better.

[RobbK1]

Jul 30, 2017 9:19:09 GMT drakeborough said:

Jul 30, 2017 0:08:42 GMT RobbK1 said:

Wow! That's awful!  Such disrespect! When I was young kids would NEVER dare to call their parents or grandparents' generation by their first names.  What right do they have to treat them with such disrespect - acting like they are PEERS!  When we were young lots of kids called their parents Ma'am and Sir.  They only spoke when spoken to.  We didn't even know their first names.  We thought their names were "Mama" and "Papa".  We thought our grandparents' names were "Oma" and "Opa" (Granma and Granpa), and our aunts' and uncles' names were "Tante" and "Oompje".  Goldurn young whippersnappers!  Who do they think they are???  Civilisation is falling apart before our very eyes!  

I assume the last line is ironic, right? If anything, I found creepy the concept of thinking "Mama" and "Papa" are actual first names, not to mention using overly formal terms like Ma'am and Sir. If such things are not true anymore, then society is definitely improving. "They only spoke when spoken to"? What the... ?

Anyway, in this video the fact that a nephew went from "gold for everybody" to "gold for Scrooge" feels natural, unlike the previous video in which they called him "Scrooge" instead of "uncle Scrooge", which felt unnatural. My guess is that they will start calling him "uncle Scrooge" as soon as they get to know him better.

Many little kids, even today, often don't know their parents' own names until they are 7 or 8 years old, when they've heard other adults address them by those names, and it finally registers in their minds that those must be their names.  I wouldn't find that "creepy", which should mean "scary".  I can see you feeling sorry for children who are required to show respect to their parents by behaving formally, and addressing them as Ma'am (Madam) and Sir.  But those were only used ALL the time in strict Victorian homes. 

But, in my house, we only referred to them as Ma'am and Sir, or Father (Vader) and Mother (Moeder), when strangers were in our house, or we were in a public place around strangers, and we wanted to be polite and well-behaved. When we were home we always used familiar terms for family members (including nicknames), and familiar terms even for family friends (at least half of my household (about 30 people) had nicknames).  But, we NEVER addressed people in an older generation by calling them by their first names.  For close family, we called them by the diminutives of their generic relationship name The American equivalent of "Mommy", "Daddy", "Grammy", "Grampa", "Auntie", "Uncly" (Oompje-no uncle diminutive in American English?).  Even close family friends we would call "Auntie So-and-so" and "Uncle So-and-so", to avoid addressing them by their first name - which would seem to disrespect them by trying to have a PEER relationship with them.  In Dutch, we don't use a word for the French and English "cousin".  We call all cousins in our same generation "neef" and "nicht" (nephews and nieces), and all cousins in older generations "tante" and "Oom" (aunts and uncles).  So we have LOTS of non-related and distantly related aunts and uncles .  Also, in Dutch culture, well-known very old men in one's town are often called "Oom So-and-so", as a term of respect and endearment.

We are all products of our upbringing, when we learn what The World is about, soaking up all that information like a sponge.  Someone acting like a peer with people of older generations will ALWAYS be repugnant to me, and seem like gross disrespect.  I will never be able to change values ingrained deep within me, when I agree, instinctively with their morals.  I can adopt "modern" thinking when I see that in the past, I was being prejudiced, or just believing something that was very wrong, or had a bad effect on people or animals, or The World.

Well, I was trying to be a little over-the-top in my last line's tirade.  But, as the old saying goes: "There's a little truth to every joke."  So, yes, I am one of those crusty old geezers who DOES believe that today's society is "Going to Hell in a handbasket!"  But don't let that stop you from treating me like just another poster on this forum.

I really hope that "The New Ducktales" will have the kids addressing Uncle Scrooge as "Uncle Scrooge", rather than "Scrooge".  It's even hard for me to take children addressing their parents by their first names even after they become adults.  Your parents are ALWAYS your parents, no matter how old they and you are, and EVEN if they are senile, and you and they have reversed roles.  All the MORE reason why you should keep the old relationship of respect, that also includes the closeness.

[drakeborough]

Jul 30, 2017 10:31:56 GMT RobbK1 said:

Many little kids, even today, often don't know their parents' own names until they are 7 or 8 years old, when they've heard other adults address them by those names, and it finally registers in their minds that those must be their names.

In my experience, it happens LONG before kids are 7 or 8, even though they generally call them "mamma" and "papà" (I am talking about Italy), just like I do even today, except when I say "ma" or "pa" for short. I've known some people who call, or used to call for a while, their parents by first names and I never found anything wrong or disrespectful about that.

Jul 30, 2017 10:31:56 GMT RobbK1 said:

I wouldn't find that "creepy", which should mean "scary".  I can see you feeling sorry for children who are required to show respect to their parents by behaving formally, and addressing them as Ma'am (Madam) and Sir.  But those were only used ALL the time in strict Victorian homes.

Thank goodness, Victorian times are far gone. I can understand saying "my mother" instead of "my mom" while talking to a third person, since the latter sounds childish, but calling "Ma'am" and "Sir" my parents... I can't imagine myself doing that, and it's not that I don't respect them.

Jul 30, 2017 10:31:56 GMT RobbK1 said:

But, in my house, we only referred to them as Ma'am and Sir, or Father (Vader) and Mother (Moeder), when strangers were in our house, or we were in a public place around strangers, and we wanted to be polite and well-behaved. When we were home we always used familiar terms for family members (including nicknames), and familiar terms even for family friends (at least half of my household (about 30 people) had nicknames).  But, we NEVER addressed people in an older generation by calling them by their first names.  For close family, we called them by the diminutives of their generic relationship name The American equivalent of "Mommy", "Daddy", "Grammy", "Grampa", "Auntie", "Uncly" (Oompje-no uncle diminutive in American English?).  Even close family friends we would call "Auntie So-and-so" and "Uncle So-and-so", to avoid addressing them by their first name - which would seem to disrespect them by trying to have a PEER relationship with them.

I call my uncles and aunts "uncle" and "aunt" (same for my grandparents), though when talking to a third person I may add the name after the title. As for unrelated people, I usually call them by name: there are a few cases in which I call "uncle" an unrelated person, but this is the exception, not the rule. I mean, first names were invented for a reason, if and everybody is "uncle" it will become confusing.

Of course, there are other ways to show respect, like using the first name or surname depending on the person and on the context, or using "Mr." before it. But, most of all, the Italian language has the possibility of talking in third person whle addressing someone (it's hard to explain that to an English audience) to show a form of respect and, like you said, avoid treating them as peers (but this don't apply for parents or other relatives).

Jul 30, 2017 10:31:56 GMT RobbK1 said:

Well, I was trying to be a little over-the-top in my last line's tirade.  But, as the old saying goes: "There's a little truth to every joke."  So, yes, I am one of those crusty old geezers who DOES believe that today's society is "Going to Hell in a handbasket!"  But don't let that stop you from treating me like just another poster on this forum.  

I also thing today's society has many problems, but for reasons that have nothing to do with calling people by their first names.

Jul 30, 2017 10:31:56 GMT RobbK1 said:

I really hope that "The New Ducktales" will have the kids addressing Uncle Scrooge as "Uncle Scrooge", rather than "Scrooge".  It's even hard for me to take children addressing their parents by their first names even after they become adults.  Your parents are ALWAYS your parents, no matter how old they and you are, and EVEN if they are senile, and you and they have reversed roles.  All the MORE reason why you should keep the old relationship of respect, that also includes the closeness.

As I said, I still call my parents the equivalent of "mom" and "dad", since here it is rare to call them by names. Anyway, I am almost sure that HDL will start calling him "uncle Scrooge" once they get used to the fact that he's actually part of their family and not a random acquietance.

[RobbK1]

Jul 30, 2017 11:01:43 GMT drakeborough said:

Jul 30, 2017 10:31:56 GMT RobbK1 said:

Many little kids, even today, often don't know their parents' own names until they are 7 or 8 years old, when they've heard other adults address them by those names, and it finally registers in their minds that those must be their names.

In my experience, it happens LONG before kids are 7 or 8, even though they generally call them "mamma" and "papà" (I am talking about Italy), just like I do even today, except when I say "ma" or "pa" for short. I've known some people who call, or used to call for a while, their parents by first names and I never found anything wrong or disrespectful about that.

Jul 30, 2017 10:31:56 GMT RobbK1 said:

I wouldn't find that "creepy", which should mean "scary".  I can see you feeling sorry for children who are required to show respect to their parents by behaving formally, and addressing them as Ma'am (Madam) and Sir.  But those were only used ALL the time in strict Victorian homes.

Thank goodness, Victorian times are far gone. I can understand saying "my mother" instead of "my mom" while talking to a third person, since the latter sounds childish, but calling "Ma'am" and "Sir" my parents... I can't imagine myself doing that, and it's not that I don't respect them.

Jul 30, 2017 10:31:56 GMT RobbK1 said:

But, in my house, we only referred to them as Ma'am and Sir, or Father (Vader) and Mother (Moeder), when strangers were in our house, or we were in a public place around strangers, and we wanted to be polite and well-behaved. When we were home we always used familiar terms for family members (including nicknames), and familiar terms even for family friends (at least half of my household (about 30 people) had nicknames).  But, we NEVER addressed people in an older generation by calling them by their first names.  For close family, we called them by the diminutives of their generic relationship name The American equivalent of "Mommy", "Daddy", "Grammy", "Grampa", "Auntie", "Uncly" (Oompje-no uncle diminutive in American English?).  Even close family friends we would call "Auntie So-and-so" and "Uncle So-and-so", to avoid addressing them by their first name - which would seem to disrespect them by trying to have a PEER relationship with them.

I call my uncles and aunts "uncle" and "aunt" (same for my grandparents), though when talking to a third person I may add the name after the title. As for unrelated people, I usually call them by name: there are a few cases in which I call "uncle" an unrelated person, but this is the exception, not the rule. I mean, first names were invented for a reason, if and everybody is "uncle" it will become confusing.

Of course, there are other ways to show respect, like using the first name or surname depending on the person and on the context, or using "Mr." before it. But, most of all, the Italian language has the possibility of talking in third person whle addressing someone (it's hard to explain that to an English audience) to show a form of respect and, like you said, avoid treating them as peers (but this don't apply for parents or other relatives).

Jul 30, 2017 10:31:56 GMT RobbK1 said:

Well, I was trying to be a little over-the-top in my last line's tirade.  But, as the old saying goes: "There's a little truth to every joke."  So, yes, I am one of those crusty old geezers who DOES believe that today's society is "Going to Hell in a handbasket!"  But don't let that stop you from treating me like just another poster on this forum.  

I also thing today's society has many problems, but for reasons that have nothing to do with calling people by their first names.

Jul 30, 2017 10:31:56 GMT RobbK1 said:

I really hope that "The New Ducktales" will have the kids addressing Uncle Scrooge as "Uncle Scrooge", rather than "Scrooge".  It's even hard for me to take children addressing their parents by their first names even after they become adults.  Your parents are ALWAYS your parents, no matter how old they and you are, and EVEN if they are senile, and you and they have reversed roles.  All the MORE reason why you should keep the old relationship of respect, that also includes the closeness.

As I said, I still call my parents the equivalent of "mom" and "dad", since here it is rare to call them by names. Anyway, I am almost sure that HDL will start calling him "uncle Scrooge" once they get used to the fact that he's actually part of their family and not a random acquiescence.

Yes, in Dutch language we also have the separation of the formal and informal (familiar) form to address adult strangers "U" rather than the familiar "Je".  But, use of the formal addressing has been going out of style over the past 30 years, and I don't like that.  I feel weird when people 1/3 to 1/5 my age, who I don't know, address me in the familiar, as if they are my peers.  It seems so disrespectful.  I see nothing wrong with youngsters showing due respect for their elders, who have learned a lot more about life.  I do agree that within families and close friendships there is no need at all to behave formally.

[The KKM]

As I mentioned before, the whole idea is likely that, in a way, Scrooge will have to earn being called Uncle- he's been absent from these kids' life all their lifes, to the point they didn't even know he was family. That said, while I like this idea, I'd have them call him "Mr. McDuck" or "Mr. Scrooge"- in a similar way than if they met some Hollywood actor. Maybe there'll actually be a moment where he asks them to call him Scrooge instead of Mr. McDuck, dunno.

[drakeborough]

Jul 30, 2017 12:03:06 GMT RobbK1 said:

Yes, in Dutch language we also have the separation of the formal and informal (familiar) form to address adult strangers "U" rather than the familiar "Je". But, use of the formal addressing has been going out of style over the past 30 years, and I don't like that. I feel weird when people 1/3 to 1/5 my age, who I don't know, address me in the familiar, as if they are my peers. It seems so disrespectful. I see nothing wrong with youngsters showing due respect for their elders, who have learned a lot more about life. I do agree that within families and close friendships there is no need at all to behave formally.

Italy actually has two formal ways to address someone: the third (singular female) person, and the second plural person; the latter basically disappeared after the fall of fascism, but Disney comics still use it. Both ways are gender neutral

Indeed, even the English language used to have a second singular person ("thou") and a second plural person ("you"), with the latter also used as a form of courtesy. However, said form of courtesy was used so often that "thou" stopped being used and "you" started being regarded as both second singular person and second plural person.

There is this idea that the English language is more "democratic" since you can address informally everyone from the beggar to the queen (as opposed to Italian, in which there is a distinction between formal and informal), but the opposite is true, since people actually address everyone formally. Of course, doing that to everybody is like doing that to nobody, so there's some truth in it.

Jul 30, 2017 12:12:50 GMT The KKM said:

As I mentioned before, the whole idea is likely that, in a way, Scrooge will have to earn being called Uncle- he's been absent from these kids' life all their lifes, to the point they didn't even know he was family. That said, while I like this idea, I'd have them call him "Mr. McDuck" or "Mr. Scrooge"- in a similar way than if they met some Hollywood actor. Maybe there'll actually be a moment where he asks them to call him Scrooge instead of Mr. McDuck, dunno.

I feel the same way.

[RobbK1]

Jul 30, 2017 13:35:43 GMT drakeborough said:

Jul 30, 2017 12:03:06 GMT RobbK1 said:

Yes, in Dutch language we also have the separation of the formal and informal (familiar) form to address adult strangers "U" rather than the familiar "Je". But, use of the formal addressing has been going out of style over the past 30 years, and I don't like that. I feel weird when people 1/3 to 1/5 my age, who I don't know, address me in the familiar, as if they are my peers. It seems so disrespectful. I see nothing wrong with youngsters showing due respect for their elders, who have learned a lot more about life. I do agree that within families and close friendships there is no need at all to behave formally.

Italy actually has two formal ways to address someone: the third (singular female) person, and the second plural person; the latter basically disappeared after the fall of fascism, but Disney comics still use it. Both ways are gender neutral

Indeed, even the English language used to have a second singular person ("thou") and a second plural person ("you"), with the latter also used as a form of courtesy. However, said form of courtesy was used so often that "thou" stopped being used and "you" started being regarded as both second singular person and second plural person.

There is this idea that the English language is more "democratic" since you can address informally everyone from the beggar to the queen (as opposed to Italian, in which there is a distinction between formal and informal), but the opposite is true, since people actually address everyone formally. Of course, doing that to everybody is like doing that to nobody, so there's some truth in it.

Jul 30, 2017 12:12:50 GMT The KKM said:

As I mentioned before, the whole idea is likely that, in a way, Scrooge will have to earn being called Uncle- he's been absent from these kids' life all their lives, to the point they didn't even know he was family. That said, while I like this idea, I'd have them call him "Mr. McDuck" or "Mr. Scrooge"- in a similar way than if they met some Hollywood actor. Maybe there'll actually be a moment where he asks them to call him Scrooge instead of Mr. McDuck, dunno.

I feel the same way.

That scenario is so foreign to me, having grown up at a young age with MOST stories (other than "Christmas on Bear Mountain") having seen Scrooge and Huey, Dewey, and Louie acting VERY familiar with each other, as if Scrooge had been around ALL their lives.  I treated "Christmas on Bear Mountain" as an outlier, anomaly.  I can't imagine them calling Scrooge "Sir", "Mr. McDuck", or "Mr. Scrooge".

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Jul 30, 2017 7:31:26 GMT RobbK1 said:

Jul 30, 2017 2:38:38 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Our apparent first look at "well-traveled teen Lena".

Is this Webby?  Or a new character named Lena?

No, she's a new character, one we know nothing about beyond her status as an accomplished adolescent itinerant.

The KKM said:

As I mentioned before, the whole idea is likely that, in a way, Scrooge will have to earn being called Uncle- he's been absent from these kids' life all their lifes, to the point they didn't even know he was family. That said, while I like this idea, I'd have them call him "Mr. McDuck" or "Mr. Scrooge"- in a similar way than if they met some Hollywood actor. Maybe there'll actually be a moment where he asks them to call him Scrooge instead of Mr. McDuck, dunno.

I don't know, we'll see ... this "360 degrees action" clip seems to be custom-made and not from any episode, so you would imagine they would have the nephews address Scrooge they way they envision they ultimately will, rather than a transitory version of it (unlike the submarine clip from an episode that was poster earlier, where also a nephew refers to Scrooge by just his first name). I wonder if this is another way that the creators attempt to make the nephews "modern", and "cool". Will they also refer to Donald as just "Donald"? Even the "hip" Quack Pack HD&L didn't go that far.  That said, this isn't as big a deal for me as it appears to be for some others, considering all the other changes and "updates" they've made.