Ducktales 2017

[Minotaur]

I surely agreed one can choose to remind his/her original accent, or adapt another accent. Maybe I should pretend to be Australian if one day I travel to Japan !

Unfortunately I don't know any Scottish man in real life, so I'm not sure about Glomgold's accent. I can only say that sounds much stronger than Scrooge's accent.

[RobbK1]

Aug 3, 2017 6:25:18 GMT flintheartglomgold said:

Aug 3, 2017 5:36:56 GMT Minotaur said:

I really don't think so. I moved to Australia when I was 19, now when I talked with people they don't even suspect I'm a foreigner here, until I mentioned it. My mother tongue is not even remotely related with English! I know many people who speak fluent English without a trace of their first language, they came from Russia, Italy, Greece and other parts of the world. Of course you have examples like my lab head who came to Australia years ago but still has his British accent, not very strong though. But changing one's accent is definitely not an impossible task, especially when one cares about it. 

I agree with you. My family moved to the USA when I was 11 1/2 years old and my sister she was 9 years old. 

My sister's accent sounds completely American in English, whilst mine is quite noticeable Spanish accent (not very thick, but it is noticeable). But that is because I always been proud of my heritage, and even though I used to live for 14 years in the USA, I did not forget Spanish, To not forget my native tongue, I read Spanish news online, read National Geographic in Spanish. Also, I kept my dress style and fashion style European (especifically like Southern Europeans tend to dress), never dressed like an American nor I like their fashion sense for my taste. 

In the US, I did stick out as a foreigner like a sore thumb as well as my predominantly Mediterranean features stick out, but I did not cared about my fashion sense which often many Americans assumed I was gay (which I am not) or a foreigner, nor about making my accent American. I always had been confident and proud about my roots. 

So yes, one has the choice to fake accents either for convenience, to adapt to a place, or to pretend you are from another country (especially this last one applies if you visit a country that historically has been enemy with one's country). 

You and your sister at 9 and 11 moved to your new country long enough BEFORE the ages (13-14) when speech freezes.  So, you should have been able to learn the new language, and should have had no accent from your old language when speaking it (unless you made an effort to keep the accent in your speech).  Which is exactly what happened, and doesn't contradict, at all, my points.

[RobbK1]

Aug 3, 2017 5:36:56 GMT Minotaur said:

Aug 2, 2017 18:29:13 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

According to Rosa, Matilda was 31 and Hortense was 26 when they moved with Scrooge to the USA. So you're right, neither should have lost their Scottish accents at all. Even leaving Scotland at age 13, Scrooge should have sounded pretty Scottish, so Alan Young's portrayal was right on the money.

I really don't think so. I moved to Australia when I was 19, now when I talked with people they don't even suspect I'm a foreigner here, until I mentioned it. My mother tongue is not even remotely related with English! I know many people who speak fluent English without a trace of their first language, they came from Russia, Italy, Greece and other parts of the world. Of course you have examples like my lab head who came to Australia years ago but still has his British accent, not very strong though. But changing one's accent is definitely not an impossible task, especially when one cares about it. 

I never stated that changing one's accent is impossible.  I only said that it would take some work if one had been 15 or older when the move came, and that the older one is when learning the new language, the harder that task would be.  Naturally, the poster who was only 19 would have had a fairly easy time learning to speak the new language without a trace of accent.

My contention regarding Scrooge and Glomgold is that they both are so interested in amassing wealth in building their fortunes that they wouldn't be willing to use the slightest bit of energy to concentrate on getting rid of their Scots and Afrikaans accents, because they are international businessmen, and make deals in hundreds of different countries, speaking with people who speak other languages.  They are COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS, not living people we can meet and get to know to a deep degree.  And so, by definition, we are limited in how much we can know about them.  Therefore, it is BETTER for them to have an accent from the language of their old country, than to have ERASED that interesting part of their character.  We know so very little about these characters.  I want to make them richer, not poorer, in things that can help identify them.  That's why I would like both to have heavy accents from their original language - because if we think that they were willing to spend time and energy getting rid of the accent in their first language, those actions go against their author-given character of living only for the adventure of roaming The World and amassing wealth.

[flintheartglomgold]

Aug 3, 2017 6:54:42 GMT Minotaur said:

I surely agreed one can choose to remind his/her original accent, or adapt another accent. Maybe I should pretend to be Australian if one day I travel to Japan !

Unfortunately I don't know any Scottish man in real life, so I'm not sure about Glomgold's accent. I can only say that sounds much stronger than Scrooge's accent.

I agree. Glomgold's accent sound much stronger and clearly different from Scrooge's

[RobbK1]

Aug 3, 2017 7:32:17 GMT flintheartglomgold said:

Aug 3, 2017 6:54:42 GMT Minotaur said:

I surely agreed one can choose to remind his/her original accent, or adapt another accent. Maybe I should pretend to be Australian if one day I travel to Japan !

Unfortunately I don't know any Scottish man in real life, so I'm not sure about Glomgold's accent. I can only say that sounds much stronger than Scrooge's accent.

I agree. Glomgold's accent sound much stronger and clearly different from Scrooge's

I've spent enough time among Scots to recognise a Scots accent when I hear it.  In Ducktales 2017, BOTH Scrooge's and Glomgold's are Scots accents.  Scrooge's is lighter than Glomgold's.  People from different areas within Scotland would sound different.  Glomgold has a very heavy Brogue that is only heard in The Scottish Highlands and also in northwestern Scotland, and on the Scottish Islands (Hebrides, Orkneys, Shetlands-all affected by the original Keltic and Old Norse previously spoken in those places).  Scrooge's is watered down (presumably because he's been away from Scotland for 70+ years.  But there is no reason for Glomgold to still have his thick Brogue, unless we assume that he grew up to manhood in Scotland, and never moved to South Africa, or he moved to South Africa after age 20 or more.  Which is exactly why I think Scrooge should have the heavy Brogue as well, as I believe that he was no younger than 16
when leaving Scotland, and he wouldn't have put in the slightest effort to get rid of his Scots accent.

Does "Ducktales 2017" have Glomgold's background having him been raised in Scotland, or South Africa?

[The KKM]

We're not sure, but everything points to him being raised in South Africa, but pretending in an exaggerated way to be a Scot in order to try and copy Scrooge's empire.

[RobbK1]

Aug 3, 2017 13:15:11 GMT The KKM said:

We're not sure, but everything points to him being raised in South Africa, but pretending in an exaggerated way to be a Scot in order to try and copy Scrooge's empire.

That just makes no sense as a real motivation.  What kids would believe anyone would do that?  And if we really believe Glomgold WOULD think so irrationally, and do that, then he is much less a threat to Scrooge in our eyes.  I think that the series' writers have weakened their series' scenario and overall setup by making Scrooge's main rival an irrational person.  It would make Glomgold a stronger character, to make him irrational related to violence and his being unpredictable when he might be whipped up into an irrational frenzy and use unpredictable and unusually cruel or violent methods for vengeance against Scrooge.  However that's not what the silly irrationality of pretending to "be like Scrooge" by pretending to be a Scot through feigned speech would imply to readers.  That would just make him an irrational thinker, but one that is no more dangerous than a rational thinker.  But, his being irrational in a non-dangerous way, would make Glomgold less of a threat to harm Scrooge, because an irrational person can't plan out schemes as well as a rational person. 

[Baar Baar Jinx]

I agree, the idea that Glomgold affects a Scottish persona and accent, despite not being Scottish, just to one-up Scrooge in every way possible seems silly, if that's truly what they're going for (and every indication so far is that it is).

[flintheartglomgold]

Aug 3, 2017 8:48:04 GMT RobbK1 said:

Aug 3, 2017 7:32:17 GMT flintheartglomgold said:

I agree. Glomgold's accent sound much stronger and clearly different from Scrooge's

I've spent enough time among Scots to recognise a Scots accent when I hear it.  In Ducktales 2017, BOTH Scrooge's and Glomgold's are Scots accents.  Scrooge's is lighter than Glomgold's.  People from different areas within Scotland would sound different.  Glomgold has a very heavy Brogue that is only heard in The Scottish Highlands and also in northwestern Scotland, and on the Scottish Islands (Hebrides, Orkneys, Shetlands-all affected by the original Keltic and Old Norse previously spoken in those places).  Scrooge's is watered down (presumably because he's been away from Scotland for 70+ years.  But there is no reason for Glomgold to still have his thick Brogue, unless we assume that he grew up to manhood in Scotland, and never moved to South Africa, or he moved to South Africa after age 20 or more.  Which is exactly why I think Scrooge should have the heavy Brogue as well, as I believe that he was no younger than 16
when leaving Scotland, and he wouldn't have put in the slightest effort to get rid of his Scots accent.

Does "Ducktales 2017" have Glomgold's background having him been raised in Scotland, or South Africa?

According to an original interview to the creators of the show, this is what they answered:

Flintheart Glomgold (Keith Ferguson)

One of Scrooge’s wealthy equals in Duckburg is Scottish showman Flintheart Glomgold, whom Youngberg describes as “this kind of go-go ‘80s billionaire who made all his money from branding and getting his face on every storefront.” Angones says, “Glomgold is bigger, faster, and cheaper. An in-joke we had for him was that originally in the comics, he was South African, and then they made him Scottish in [the original] DuckTales, so we really leaned into that and decided that when Glomgold saw that Scrooge was a Scottish billionaire, he decided to be the cheap knock-off. More Scottish and even richer.”

From my understanding, the creators say Glomgold is in reality South African, but after seeing Scrooge is a Scottish billionaire, Glomgold decided to pretend to be  Scottish and more wealthy than him. 

Source: ew.com/tv/2017/06/08/ducktales-exclusive-characters-cast/

[Scroogerello]

About 39 minutes into this video, there's a short animatic (storyboard) teaser of the new DuckTales series, which was shown at D23 expo:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBlPEi-xn9A&persist_app=1&app=m
Some of the new voices (Fenton Crackshell/Gizmoduck, Ma Beagle, Beagle Boys, Mark Beaks, Glomgold) can be heard, albeit very briefly.

ADMIN EDIT: Non-mobile link, as I found the mobile link to be an utter mess of troubles and URL redirects.
youtu.be/XBlPEi-xn9A

[drakeborough]

Aug 2, 2017 17:41:15 GMT RobbK1 said:

I find it VERY, VERY hard to believe that someone as young as only 13 could go away from his parents and travel from one continent to another during the very dangerous times of the mid 19th century.

Well, according to Rosa, the reason Scrooge came to the Usa at the age of 13 is that he had an uncle (Pothole McDuck) living and working there, and Scrooge lived with him at first. On  a meta level, Rosa wanted to respect the barksian facts of Scrooge winning a silver dollar in a steamboat race in 1880 and being a cowboy in 1882, while at the same time making him as young as possible in the present.

Looking at the people I know that left their country at a young age, I think Scrooge would lose most of his accent if he left Scotland at the age of 13, and even if he left it at 16. Still, I can't judge Alan Young or David Tennant since I know little of Scottish accents/American accents. Still, it's worth noting that in "The Old Castle's Secret" we have the fake Scottie talking in a phonetically written Scottish accent except that in the last page, while I think Scrooge talks normally.

Aug 3, 2017 14:05:55 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

I agree, the idea that Glomgold affects a Scottish persona and accent, despite not being Scottish, just to one-up Scrooge in every way possible seems silly, if that's truly what they're going for (and every indication so far is that it is).

I feel the same way, and it's seems to be a bad choice, even though they made it as a compromise between the two versions of Glomgold.

[RobbK1]

Aug 7, 2017 9:44:25 GMT drakeborough said:

Aug 2, 2017 17:41:15 GMT RobbK1 said:

I find it VERY, VERY hard to believe that someone as young as only 13 could go away from his parents and travel from one continent to another during the very dangerous times of the mid 19th century.

Well, according to Rosa, the reason Scrooge came to the Usa at the age of 13 is that he had an uncle (Pothole McDuck) living and working there, and Scrooge lived with him at first. On  a meta level, Rosa wanted to respect the barksian facts of Scrooge winning a silver dollar in a steamboat race in 1880 and being a cowboy in 1882, while at the same time making him as young as possible in the present.

Looking at the people I know that left their country at a young age, I think Scrooge would lose most of his accent if he left Scotland at the age of 13, and even if he left it at 16. Still, I can't judge Alan Young or David Tennant since I know little of Scottish accents/American accents. Still, it's worth noting that in "The Old Castle's Secret" we have the fake Scottie talking in a phonetically written Scottish accent except that in the last page, while I think Scrooge talks normally.

Aug 3, 2017 14:05:55 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

I agree, the idea that Glomgold affects a Scottish persona and accent, despite not being Scottish, just to one-up Scrooge in every way possible seems silly, if that's truly what they're going for (and every indication so far is that it is).

I feel the same way, and it's seems to be a bad choice, even though they made it as a compromise between the two versions of Glomgold.

If that compromise required an explanation of why Glomgold had a Scots accent in English language, despite being headquartered in South Africa, and apparently having spent some time growing up there, there are better, more logical and plausible explanations for that.  The best one is that Glomgold's ancestors were Scottish, and his parents migrated there when Flintheart was old enough to have some Scots accent remain in his English, but young enough to have "grown up" in south Africa, either speaking only the South African dialect of English (emanating from Capetown), or grew up as a Boer in Greater Johannesburg Region, The Orange Free State, or The Transvaal, speaking Afrikaans (with his underlying Scots speech habits clearly discernible in his speech).

[Pan Maciej]

WOW! Refrence to Hortense and Quackmore (!!!)

Also note that behind Quackmore's picture there is list of Scrooge's ancestors names (!!!) and you can spot names "MATILDA" and "DIRITY DINGUS" and the newspaper refrence "PLAIN AWFUL"!!! SO MANY EASTER EGGS...

[flintheartglomgold]

Here is more of Flintheart's voice and accent. He says he is more Scottish than Scrooge because he is wearing a kilt XD


www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox2fxJrxbMU

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Aug 12, 2017 7:43:16 GMT Pan Maciej said:

WOW! Refrence to Hortense and Quackmore (!!!)

Also note that behind Quackmore's picture there is list of Scrooge's ancestors names (!!!) and you can spot names "MATILDA" and "DIRITY DINGUS" and the newspaper refrence "PLAIN AWFUL"!!! SO MANY EASTER EGGS...

Interesting! (Wish they could use Titus instead of Dingus, though.)