Ducktales 2017

[Baar Baar Jinx]

If Fethry were to finally appear in animation, we'll get a definitive answer about whether his name is pronounced with a soft "th" (as in "though") or a hard "th" (as in "with"). If it's derived from "feathery" (as seems likely, although I don't know why the spelling was altered), the former seems probable, but I always liked the sound of the latter and find myself favoring that pronunciation. We discussed this on the old DCF, but I forget what the overall consensus was.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

In-universe, I see "Fethry" as a first name etymologically derived from Feathery, so a similar pronunciation. I'm not sure I see the difference in pronunciation between the THs of "with" and "though", however. 

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Jan 21, 2018 14:50:28 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

In-universe, I see "Fethry" as a first name etymologically derived from Feathery, so a similar pronunciation. I'm not sure I see the difference in pronunciation between the THs of "with" and "though", however. 

Maybe a better example would be "think" for the hard "th", versus "though" for the soft "th".

[Pan Maciej]

NEEEEEEW EPISODES PLEAAAAAAAASEEEE....

[deb]

[Pan Maciej]

Remember this?

 Well turns out there are in fact hidden words in this picture, few fan in-refrence included  Try and find them all - it's pretty fun!  

SPOILER: Click to show

If you can't find them somebody on-line did a handy-handy list I put below. I did found also "Skarb" which is Polish word for "Treasure" but I'm sure it' an acidental one... 

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}



(and no, I didn't made this, just found it on-line... I'm not that clever  )

[Hyaroo]

Frank Angones revealed something interesting about the next episode... no, not when it airs, but he did say that "the next episode has my favorite new DT character of season 1 who has a special history with Donald."



When asked, he said that this character is original to this series and not an already existing character from earlier comics or cartoons... Well, that rules out Fethry or Della, which are the two characters I most want to see, but at least it confirms that Donald's going to be in the next episode, and more Donald episodes can only be a good thing.

[RobbK1]

Jan 21, 2018 14:09:13 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

If Fethry were to finally appear in animation, we'll get a definitive answer about whether his name is pronounced with a soft "th" (as in "though") or a hard "th" (as in "with"). If it's derived from "feathery" (as seems likely, although I don't know why the spelling was altered), the former seems probable, but I always liked the sound of the latter and find myself favoring that pronunciation. We discussed this on the old DCF, but I forget what the overall consensus was.

Saying the name, "Fethry" using the hard "th" sound is extremely awkward to a native English speaker.  To my memory and experience, there is NO instance of a hard "th" sound in the centre of a word, - only at the beginning and end of words.  If you examine Old English, which has two individual letters (characters) for the modern "th" sound (Thorn-soft sound, and Eth-hard sound), you will not find the Eth, other than at the ending or at the beginning of a word.

If you can, please give me some examples of modern English words with the hard "th" sound in the centre of a word.  I'll be shocked if anyone can even come up with a solitary example.

Until someone provides us with several (at least 10) examples, I contend that "Fethry" was derived from the word "feather" (as pertains to ducks), and is, therefore, the best candidate for the English pronunciation.  I have only heard people pronounce it as such, in any case, whether or not they are native English speakers.  Personally, I like his Dutch name, Diederik, best.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Feb 11, 2018 16:04:07 GMT RobbK1 said:

If you can, please give me some examples of modern English words with the hard "th" sound in the centre of a word.

Unless I'm severely misunderstanding what this soft vs. hard business is about (because to me, with and though sound like the same sound…?), there's bathtub. 

[RobbK1]

Feb 11, 2018 16:38:21 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Feb 11, 2018 16:04:07 GMT RobbK1 said:

If you can, please give me some examples of modern English words with the hard "th" sound in the centre of a word.

Unless I'm severely misunderstanding what this soft vs. hard business is about (because to me, with and though sound like the same sound…?), there's bathtub. 

No, you have NOT misunderstood the difference between the hard Eth sound, and the soft Thorn sound.  "Bathtub", indeed, has the hard sound in the middle of the word.  However, THAT example is an extremely unusual exception, that is awkward to pronounce.  It is only allowed because it is a compound word made of two words, "bath" and "tub".  The Eth in "Bath" lies where it belongs, at the end of that word.  The fact that that word is also part of the new, compound word, and now is in the centre of the new word, is not enough to change the "th" sound to a soft "th" (thorn) sound, as doing so might make the "bath" portion unrecognisable, and thus, defeat the purpose (convenience) of using the compound word.

I dare you to provide me 5+ examples that are not compound words.  As a native English speaker, I contend that it is quite awkward to pronounce a hard "th" sound in the middle of a word.  I'm surprised that Baar Baar Jinx, who, from his writing, bears all the markings of a native American English speaker, would favour "Fethry" pronounced with a hard "th".  But, perhaps he likes that for the very reason that it would be unusual and unexpected?

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Feb 11, 2018 16:58:36 GMT RobbK1 said:

But, perhaps he likes that for the very reason that it would be unusual and unexpected?

Indeed; it seems to befit Fethry's character. 

[Pan Maciej]

Feb 11, 2018 14:48:27 GMT Hyaroo said:

Frank Angones revealed something interesting about the next episode... no, not when it airs, but he did say that "the next episode has my favorite new DT character of season 1 who has a special history with Donald."

When asked, he said that this character is original to this series and not an already existing character from earlier comics or cartoons... 

Cool to hear! So far I realy enjoy all the Donald centric stuff on the show and giving him some past history is a good way to develop him further. 

[Matilda]

Feb 11, 2018 16:58:36 GMT RobbK1 said:

Feb 11, 2018 16:38:21 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Unless I'm severely misunderstanding what this soft vs. hard business is about (because to me, with and though sound like the same sound…?), there's bathtub. 

No, you have NOT misunderstood the difference between the hard Eth sound, and the soft Thorn sound.  "Bathtub", indeed, has the hard sound in the middle of the word.  However, THAT example is an extremely unusual exception, that is awkward to pronounce.  It is only allowed because it is a compound word made of two words, "bath" and "tub".  The Eth in "Bath" lies where it belongs, at the end of that word.  The fact that that word is also part of the new, compound word, and now is in the centre of the new word, is not enough to change the "th" sound to a soft "th" (thorn) sound, as doing so might make the "bath" portion unrecognisable, and thus, defeat the purpose (convenience) of using the compound word.

I dare you to provide me 5+ examples that are not compound words.  As a native English speaker, I contend that it is quite awkward to pronounce a hard "th" sound in the middle of a word.  I'm surprised that Baar Baar Jinx, who, from his writing, bears all the markings of a native American English speaker, would favour "Fethry" pronounced with a hard "th".  But, perhaps he likes that for the very reason that it would be unusual and unexpected?

Mythical, mythology, ornithology, orthodox, orthopedic and lots of ortho- words, enthrall, enthrone, pithy, filthy, healthy, wealthy, toothy. But anyway, we're talking about a proper name, and there are also plenty of proper names commonly used in English with a hard "th" in the middle: Catherine/Cathy, Luther, Arthur, Athens, McCarthy, etc. The fact that I'm a Lutheran--a word often pronounced as if it had only two syllables, "looth-rin"--makes me particularly comfortable with a hard-"th" followed by an "r" in Fethry. Same would go for "Catherine" pronounced as "cath-rin".

[RobbK1]

Feb 11, 2018 20:01:38 GMT Matilda said:

Feb 11, 2018 16:58:36 GMT RobbK1 said:

No, you have NOT misunderstood the difference between the hard Eth sound, and the soft Thorn sound.  "Bathtub", indeed, has the hard sound in the middle of the word.  However, THAT example is an extremely unusual exception, that is awkward to pronounce.  It is only allowed because it is a compound word made of two words, "bath" and "tub".  The Eth in "Bath" lies where it belongs, at the end of that word.  The fact that that word is also part of the new, compound word, and now is in the centre of the new word, is not enough to change the "th" sound to a soft "th" (thorn) sound, as doing so might make the "bath" portion unrecognisable, and thus, defeat the purpose (convenience) of using the compound word.

I dare you to provide me 5+ examples that are not compound words.  As a native English speaker, I contend that it is quite awkward to pronounce a hard "th" sound in the middle of a word.  I'm surprised that Baar Baar Jinx, who, from his writing, bears all the markings of a native American English speaker, would favour "Fethry" pronounced with a hard "th".  But, perhaps he likes that for the very reason that it would be unusual and unexpected?

Mythical, mythology, ornithology, orthodox, orthopedic and lots of ortho- words, enthrall, enthrone, pithy, filthy, healthy, wealthy, toothy. But anyway, we're talking about a proper name, and there are also plenty of proper names commonly used in English with a hard "th" in the middle: Catherine/Cathy, Luther, Arthur, Athens, McCarthy, etc. The fact that I'm a Lutheran--a word often pronounced as if it had only two syllables, "looth-run"--makes me particularly comfortable with a hard-"th" followed by an "r" in Fethry.

WOW!!!  I forgot a whole kaboodle of English words!  Hah!  I must be going senile even faster than I had thought.  But, I still contend that FeTH-ry sounds VERY unpleasant to the ears (at least, MY ears)!  A quality of duckness would be "feathery".  So a name for a duck (Duck) would naturally be "Fethry", as short for feathery.  FeTH-ry being non-related to that, is too much of a coincidence, and thereby, is distacting, and also a waste of a chance to benefit from the relationship.  If one is NOT going to employ such a relationship. better to invent a COMPLETELY unrelated name (i.e. Diederik, or Augustus, or Hans, or something related to his character traits, such as: "Annoying" or "Frustrator", or "Impossible", etc.).

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Feb 11, 2018 14:48:27 GMT Hyaroo said:

Frank Angones revealed something interesting about the next episode... no, not when it airs, but he did say that "the next episode has my favorite new DT character of season 1 who has a special history with Donald."



When asked, he said that this character is original to this series and not an already existing character from earlier comics or cartoons... Well, that rules out Fethry or Della, which are the two characters I most want to see, but at least it confirms that Donald's going to be in the next episode, and more Donald episodes can only be a good thing.

The "brand new character" qualifier also rules out Neighbor Jones, Grandma and Donald's parents (in flashback and not just pictures on Webby's bulletin board), all of whom I still hope we'll see eventually (Jones seems the least likely of the lot since Donald doesn't live next door to him in this show; he'd have to antagonize him in some other capacity).

BTW, weren't we told that Fergus was supposed to appear in the Gladstone episode ... were the scenes cut?